[ANSTHRLD] Notes on November ILOI

[Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.]

--- Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Paul E. Kiefer, Jr. <rapierman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- Doug Bell <debell1 at txcyber.com> wrote:
> >> "Gules, a gauntlet sustaining a sword fesswise and in base two
> doves
> >> displayed argent."
> >> This looks like 3 different types of charges in the primary group.
> >> Slot machine return.
> >
> > Brings up the question: Would a sustained charge be a secondary?
> > Does it even count?
> 
> In re it counting: that's the entire point of making a distinction
> between maintained and sustained.  A maintained charge is too small
> and insignificant to count for difference.  A sustained charge is of
> comparable visual weight to the charge holding it and therefore gets
> treated as a member of the same charge group -- in this case, the
> sword and gauntlet (if indeed the sword is big enough to be
> sustained)
> are both in the primary charge group.  I don't know of a way to get a
> primary charge holding a secondary charge -- if sustained, they're
> both primary; if maintained, primary+artistic frou-frou.

Okay, then, it definitely appears to be "maintained".  To the other
part, however...

> If the birdies are indeed "in base", they can't be part of the
> primary
> charge group, so how can it be slot machine?

I've seen the emblazon.  The birds appeared to be of equal weight
visually.  Since they occupied the lower half of the shield, the
submitter may have thought that he/she should say "in base" to
differentiate from the other two above it.  A thought of "X, in pale Y
maintaining A and Z" just now crossed my mind, but I'm not certain
that's right either.

Just my tuppence,

Lord Johann Kiefer Haydon (Paul E. Kiefer, Jr.)
Incoming Orbis


		
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