[ANSTHRLD] CD for Color of Cotises?

Jim Trigg blaise at scadian.net
Sun Feb 20 11:36:38 PST 2005

tmcd at panix.com wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Jim Trigg <blaise at scadian.net> wrote:
>>tmcd at panix.com wrote:
>>>It says that a secondary charge group is a group of charges directly
>>>on the field.  (OK, it doesn't say "directly", but it should: if
>>>they're not "directly", they're "tertiary" or perhaps "overall".)
>>Which actually raises a question that has been getting some
>>discussion on the Trimaris COH list -- are overall charges directly
>>on the field?
> Gah.  I was hoping my weasel-wording on "perhaps" would go unnoticed.
>>The answer appears to be "for some purposes"; X.4.b, c, f, and g say
>>no, but X.2 and X.4.d, e, and h say yes...
> I don't see a place where it matters whether overall charges are
> "directly" or not: in each case, the rule says expressly whether it
> does or does not apply to overall charges.  The only exception I see
> is X.4.b, Addition of Charges on the Field -- *but* if that's read
> with X.4.c, Addition of Charges Overall, it becomes clear that the two
> rules apply in two different circumstances.

Compare "Sable, three fleurs-de-lys Or and overall a bend argent" with 
"Sable, three fleurs-de-lys Or and a bordure argent".  Since X.4.e 
applies to both, there is only one CD for changing the type.  Or are 
there two CDs, one by X.4.b for removing the bordure and one by X.4.c 
for adding the bend?

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