[ANSTHRLD] Device check

[Alden Drake]

Perhaps you mean: Per fess vert and gules, a fleur-de-lys Or?

This would split the device in half horizontally with the top half being green and the bottom half
being red and the yellow fleur-de-lys would be centrally placed on the device?  This would not
violate any rules, but might quite possibly have a conflict.  This would conflict with any device
that is designed with one yellow fleur on any other field (ie. Azure, a fleur-de-lys Or; Per
saltire azure and sable, a fleur-de-lys Or; etc.)

I don't think we blazon using the phrase "charged with".  This would generally be applied to a
charge that is "charged with" another charge.  Instead, I believe we usually say "on a <insert
charge> <insert tincture> a <insert the charge on the first charge> <insert tincture>.  If you are
referring to a primary charge or group of charges that are directly on the field, you don't make
any reference to them being "on" the field.  You'd just blazon it as <Field Description>, a
<charge (or charge group)> <tincture> - ie. Vert, a fess argent.  If there was a fleur-de-lys on
the fess, then you'd blazon something like: Vert, on a fess argent a fleur-de-lys sable.

Alden



--- francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu wrote:

> Then Vert, per fess gules, charged with a fleur-de-lys Or would not
> violate the rules. Right?
> 
> Troye
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org] On Behalf
> Of Mistress Bronwen
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:55 PM
> To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device check
> 
> "Per fess" is a field division, and can have two colors. "A fess" is an 
> ordinary, and cannot generally be placed upon a field with which it has 
> low contrast.
> ~
> 
> Bronwen
> 
> "Quod Excogitem Sum"..."I Am What I Can Imagine"
> [Per pale sable and argent, an antelope statant and in chief a pearled 
> coronet counterchanged]
> 
> ~
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu>
> To: <heralds at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Device check
> 
> 
> >I was under the impression that you could have a field division, a 
> >fess,
> > with two colors. I understand the basic rules, of tincture and metals 
> > used
> > for contrast. Guess I need to read the rules again. So any pale, pall, 
> > bend
> > chevron, etc must be the opposite (metal/tincture) of the field?
> >
> > Troye
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Alden Drake
> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:46 PM
> > To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> > Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device check
> >
> > --- "Schalles, Francis" <francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu> wrote:
> >> Again greetings,
> >> Vert, a fess gules charged with a fleu-de-lys Or.
> >> Too simple?
> >>
> >> Troye
> >> Western Cross Herald
> >>
> >
> > Also blazoned: Vert, on a fess gules a fleur-de-lys Or.
> >
> > This design has a color-on-color problem.  The Rule of Tincture, or 
> > what
> > you'll commonly hear as
> > color-on-color or metal-on-metal, is used in the SCA to ensure 
> > sufficient
> > contrast of charges on
> > the field of a device.  Basic colors consist of gules (red), vert 
> > (green),
> > sable (black), azure
> > (blue), and purpure (purple).  Basic metals consist of Or (yellow) and
> > argent (white).  Furs and
> > "proper" tinctures vary depending on the major tincture used and I'll 
> > be
> > willing to discuss them
> > separately if desired.
> >
> > Poor contrast is obtained from putting a charge of a color on a field 
> > of a
> > color (ie a fess gules
> > on a vert field).  The same would apply to a metal charge on a metal 
> > field
> > (ie a fess Or on an
> > argent field).
> >
> > The same would apply to a charge atop another charge - in this case, 
> > the
> > fleur-de-lys Or on the
> > fess gules.  This shows good contrast.  A fleur-de-lys vert on a fess 
> > gules
> > would not.
> >
> > My recommendation would be to change the vert field to either Or or 
> > argent.
> > If you want the vert
> > field, you'll need to change the fess tincture to a metal, and 
> > therefore
> > change the fleur tincture
> > to a color.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > YIS,
> > Alden Drake
> >
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