[ANSTHRLD] Device check

[Mistress Bronwen]

There's really no such thing as Vert, per fess gules though. What you 
seem to be describing is
Per fess vert and gules, a fleur-de-lys Or.

Interestingly, there are only two registered devices with per fess field 
divisions and single fluers, and neither field is vert and gules, and 
neither fleur is Or.
Unfortunately, there is a conflict with
France
The following badge associated with this name was registered in December 
of 1994 (via Laurel):
(Fieldless) A fleur-de-lis Or.
Important non-SCA royal badge
One CD per Rfs.X.4.a. for fieldlessness, but no others.
~

Bronwen

"Quod Excogitem Sum"..."I Am What I Can Imagine"
[Per pale sable and argent, an antelope statant and in chief a pearled 
coronet counterchanged]

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu>
To: <heralds at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Device check


> Then Vert, per fess gules, charged with a fleur-de-lys Or would not
> violate the rules. Right?
>
> Troye
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Mistress Bronwen
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:55 PM
> To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device check
>
> "Per fess" is a field division, and can have two colors. "A fess" is 
> an
> ordinary, and cannot generally be placed upon a field with which it 
> has
> low contrast.
> ~
>
> Bronwen
>
> "Quod Excogitem Sum"..."I Am What I Can Imagine"
> [Per pale sable and argent, an antelope statant and in chief a pearled
> coronet counterchanged]
>
> ~
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu>
> To: <heralds at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Device check
>
>
>>I was under the impression that you could have a field division, a
>>fess,
>> with two colors. I understand the basic rules, of tincture and metals
>> used
>> for contrast. Guess I need to read the rules again. So any pale, 
>> pall,
>> bend
>> chevron, etc must be the opposite (metal/tincture) of the field?
>>
>> Troye
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org
>> [mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu at ansteorra.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Alden Drake
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:46 PM
>> To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device check
>>
>> --- "Schalles, Francis" <francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu> wrote:
>>> Again greetings,
>>> Vert, a fess gules charged with a fleu-de-lys Or.
>>> Too simple?
>>>
>>> Troye
>>> Western Cross Herald
>>>
>>
>> Also blazoned: Vert, on a fess gules a fleur-de-lys Or.
>>
>> This design has a color-on-color problem.  The Rule of Tincture, or
>> what
>> you'll commonly hear as
>> color-on-color or metal-on-metal, is used in the SCA to ensure
>> sufficient
>> contrast of charges on
>> the field of a device.  Basic colors consist of gules (red), vert
>> (green),
>> sable (black), azure
>> (blue), and purpure (purple).  Basic metals consist of Or (yellow) 
>> and
>> argent (white).  Furs and
>> "proper" tinctures vary depending on the major tincture used and I'll
>> be
>> willing to discuss them
>> separately if desired.
>>
>> Poor contrast is obtained from putting a charge of a color on a field
>> of a
>> color (ie a fess gules
>> on a vert field).  The same would apply to a metal charge on a metal
>> field
>> (ie a fess Or on an
>> argent field).
>>
>> The same would apply to a charge atop another charge - in this case,
>> the
>> fleur-de-lys Or on the
>> fess gules.  This shows good contrast.  A fleur-de-lys vert on a fess
>> gules
>> would not.
>>
>> My recommendation would be to change the vert field to either Or or
>> argent.
>> If you want the vert
>> field, you'll need to change the fess tincture to a metal, and
>> therefore
>> change the fleur tincture
>> to a color.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> YIS,
>> Alden Drake
>>
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