[ANSTHRLD] Name check please

[Bill Butler]

Could this be some type of religious practice - sort
of similar to Catholic confirmation names - where a
"name" is given but never used? 

Just wondering...

William 

--- tmcd at panix.com wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 francis.schalles at ttuhsc.edu
> <heralds at ansteorra.org> wrote:
> > My Lady informs me that she understood that a
> person might be given
> > a middle name at birth, and upon being baptized
> receive her mothers
> > name as well.
> 
> The culture and time period are critical.  I dimly
> recall: she's
> late-period Irish, right?  Even that's not specific,
> since there's two
> major cultures at that point, the Anglo-Irish around
> the Pale and the
> Gaelic-type Irish outside.  If she's interested in
> being authentic for
> a culture/time, which is it?
> 
> Middle names were pretty rare in *English*, even in
> late period;
> E. G. Withycombe indicates that it didn't become
> fashionable until
> Queen Henrietta Maria (wife of Charles I, I think,
> 1620s and on).  The
> text I sent before indicates that in some languages
> it was strictly
> impossible: Irish Gaelic and Arabic in particular I
> remember.  In
> Italian, French, and other languages, it came in in
> the last couple of
> centuries of our period.
> 
> I have never heard of a general custom of giving a
> child a father's
> given name and/or mother's given name.  There was a
> custom of giving
> the child the name of a *godparent*, but that was
> having the child's
> given name be the given name (or, in late late
> period, the surname) of
> the godparent, not adopting two names (one of them
> the godparent's) --
> again, until after period in England.  WIthycombe
> writes a bit about
> that.
> 
> One pattern used in almost all languages (before
> inherited last names)
> was to be "<given name> son/daughter of <father's
> name>" -- but that
> was used as a LAST name.
> 
> So for a name of someone in Ireland, certainly
> "<given name>
> <surname>" is fine.  As I understand it, "<given
> name1> <given name2>
> <surname>" would be registerable in an Englished
> context of an
> Anglo-Irish name in the Pale, but would have been
> quite unusual in
> period.
> 
> Daniel de Lincolino
> -- 
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> Paul "Fruitbat" Sleigh
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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