[ANSTHRLD] Questions about a tierce

[Donnchadh]

We discussed a fieldless badge, but that would conflict with:

* Aeruin as Sruth Waleis
* The following badge associated with this name was registered in June of 2002 (via the West):
(Fieldless) A daffodil slipped and leaved bell to chief argent.
Armory descriptions:
* FLOWER-TRUMPET SHAPE:1:argent:spa
* NO

would it not?

Also, what is the "fieldless bribe"?

Donnchadh

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From: tmcd at panix.com 
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at ansteorra.org> 
Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:19:53 -0600 (CST) 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Questions about a tierce

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Donnchahd Beag mac Griogair 
> <donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us> wrote: 
> > She is also looking at doing a badge as well (especially if she goes 
> > with ermine for the tierce), of Vert, a lily argent slipped and 
> > leaved Or. 
> 
> Did you explain that, while that style is certainly registerable, 
> period badges were usually fieldless?  And there's the "fieldless 
> bribe" too. 
> 
> > I thought for sure that would be taken, but when I checked I could 
> > only find one device that even came close: 
> > 
> > Minowara Kiritsubo 
> > Vert, a calla lily blossom proper within a bordure Or. 
> > for Eleanor Aison of Devon 
> > 
> > I'm not sure if there would be a CD between a calla lily blossom 
> > proper and a lily argent slipped and leaved Or. One for color 
> > maybe? I'm not sure what the proper color for a calla lily 
> > blossom is. 
> 
> Judging by my Google Images search for "calla lily", there shouldn't 
> be a proper defined for it: one page alone shows white, purple, red, 
> yellow shading into red, rose, and faint violet. 
> 
> I've looked at Minowara Kiritsubo's badge form, and the calla lily 
> blossom is white with a yellow, er, whatever that thingy is in the 
> center, the pistil or stamen or stigma or whatever. 
> <http://www.onlinewholesaleflowers.com/calla.jpg> is pretty close, 
> except that Kiritsubo's is rotated slightly to be face on (that is, 
> the picture is slightly trian aspect) and Kiritsubo's doesn't have the 
> foliage.  If someone could name that yellow reproductive organ in the 
> middle for me, I'd appreciate it.  (No, not "Bob", though that's an 
> oddly appropriate term at times in the context of sexual organs. 
> I mean pistil or stamen or stigma or whatever.) 
> 
> ... OK, I did a search of LoARs and found a definite statement (10/95 
> LoAR): 
> 
>  Leonora of Monadh.  Name and device.  Vert, three lilies and a bordure Or. 
>     Monadh is the registered name of her branch. 
>          Versus Minowara Kiritsubo, Vert, a calla lily blossom proper 
>     within a bordure Or, there are CDs for the number of primary 
>     charges and for their tincture; a calla lily blossom proper is 
>     argent, stamened Or. 
> 
> I still suspect it's actually a pistil, but you know what it means. 
> 
> Slipping and leaving is not a CD, even when it's big and visually 
> prominent.  (You'd pretty much have to shrink the blossom to be tiny 
> to get a CD -- by virtue of it changing from "a lily slipped and 
> leaved" to "a lily plant", which is to say, no longer a flower.)  The 
> yellow sexy thingy in the center of Kiritsubo's is too small for 
> difference, I'd say. 
> 
> So only 1 CD for the bordure -- conflict. 
> 
> Dannet de Lyncoln 
> -- 
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> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com 
> 
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