[ANSTHRLD] name pronunciation and other questions

Pádraig Ruad Ó Maolagáin padraig_ruad at irishbard.org
Thu Feb 23 11:46:45 PST 2006


Referring to St Gabriel again, the section they have on Masculine
Descriptive Bynames at
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Alpha.shtml
gives a number of examples of descriptive characteristics such as
Ainsheasccar (the Unquiet/Restless) and Balbh (the Stammerer).  And surely
"the Loud" is no less an accurate descriptive than either of these or of
many other examples given.  I think a case could be made for using
"Braomadh" or some other (perhaps more accurate) Irish word meaning loud
or noisy as a descriptive byname.

Padraig

Daniel said:

<snip>
>>    I also have a gentle who would like to document his name, "John
>> the Loud" in Gaelic/Irish/Celt.  He really wants "Ian" for John but
>> other than a modern Irish dictionary we (meaning I have no clue) are
>> having a hard time finding where to look for a good descriptive name
>> equivalent to "the loud".
>
> Saying that a byname is a word in a dictionary is not sufficient
> documentation, though sometimes it can help in further research.
> There are hundreds of thousands of words in dictionaries that were
> never used as bynames and are not related to any bynames that were
> used.
>
> Is he amenable to a period-style name?  By far the most common name
> pattern for Irishmen was "<given name> mac <father's given name>".
> If he is amenable, you could point him at
>
>     Quick and Easy Gaelic Names, by Sharon Krossa
>         An excellent general guide to building a typical Gaelic
>         name. Start here!
>
> which is at
> <http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/>
> If he can find a name that he's totally happy with AND that's
> perfectly period, I think that's optimal all around.
> (Of course, maybe he just wants what he wants, and he's the one who
> has to live with the name the most.)
>
> Anyway, the Academy of Saint Gabriel, at <http://www.s-gabriel.org/>,
> is an excellent source for medieval name info.  They have the Medieval
> Names Archive (MNA) link on that page; follow thru and the Irish
> articles are linked to from
> <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/irish.shtml>.
>
> If there was a descriptive byname, which was rare, it was usually a
> concrete physical characteristic (Big, Tall, Black [haired], Blind,
> Left-handed, Crooked, Freckled, ...)  The Medieval Names Archive (MNA)
> article that lists male descriptive bynames does not show a
> characteristic like "Loud": the closest ones I see are what I would
> describe as psychological states, like Mad, Merry, Surly, Rough,
> Greedy, and such.
>
> Danielis Lindum Colonia




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