[ANSTHRLD] Permission to Conflict Question

[tmcd at panix.com]

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Alasdair MacEogan <alasdair at bmhanson.net> wrote:
> Steve K. Rourke wrote:
> >  He conflicts with two people both of which are because of the
> > tertiary charge. Is he going to have to get a letter from both of
> > the people he conflicts with or just the original registered
> > device owner?
>
> 2 devices have 2 owners and he would need a letter from both.

Exactly.  (To be more precise: one letter from each.)  Wording can be
found in College of Arms Administrative Handbook, Appendix D -
Suggested Standard Form Letters.  I provide it below.

> I am not sure what you mean by original registered device
> owner.

I assume he means the earlier one registered.

> I would guess by your question that one had gottena letter of
> permission to conflict with the other

Well, such a situation could also arise if
- the first one was registered by X
and
- the second one was a joint badge with Y as the primary owner and X
  as the secondary owner: we assume that a person gives permission to
  conflict with himself
Or X originally registered both and transferred the second to Y.
Or X died and left a heraldic will (also in Appendix D) bequeathing
the second item, but not the first, to Y.

But Y getting a letter of permission to conflict with X is by far more
likely.

> but I do not believe that matters in this case.

Indeed it does not.  The suggested standard letter of permission reads

    I, [Name], known in the SCA as [Society name] give [Name of
    submitter], known in the SCA as [Society name of submitter]
    permission for [his/her] armory "[Blazon of submission]" to look
    similar to, but not identical to, my armory, "[Blazon of
    registered armory]". I understand that this permission cannot be
    withdrawn once [name of submitter]'s armory is registered.

    [Date] [Signature of [Name]]

Note that it specifies
- X, the owner of the registered item
- Y, the new submitter
- X's registered armory
- Y's proposed armory
and that permission applies to them only.

(Side note: the suggested text specifies armory.  You can use it for a
name by just changing the text to refer to that name instead of some
armory.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is now possible to give blanket permission to conflict with an
item.  That's the next item down:

    * Blanket Permission to Conflict

    I, [Name], known in the SCA as [Society name] waive the full
    protection of my registered (name "[Registered name]"|armory
    "[Blazon of registered armory]"). I grant permission to any future
    submitter to register a (name|armory) that is (not identical to|at
    least one countable step different from) my registered
    (name|armory). I understand that this permission can be withdrawn
    by written notice to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, but that
    conflicting items registered while it is in force will remain
    registered.

    [Date] [Signature of [Name]]

That specifies
- X, the owner of the registered item
- X's specific registered item
But it does not specify any particular recipient.  But items with
blanket permission are tagged as such in the Armorial.  For example,

    Daniel de Lincoln|9203M|N||(Blanket permission to conflict granted 0501)

Blanket permissions are still rare, though I would like to encourage
people to consider them.

Daniel Lincolinum
-- 
Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com