[ANSTHRLD] requesting submission help
tmcd at panix.com
tmcd at panix.com
Mon Jun 12 13:02:06 PDT 2006
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Alden Drake <alden_drake at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> A submitter I'm working with would like to register the following:
>
> Quarterly sable and lozengy bendwise argent and azure, a
> double-headed eagle displayed quarterly Or and sable.
>
> "Lozengy bendwise" is the best way I can describe the quarter of the
> field. It is based on the arms of Wittelsbach, seen in the Small
> Arms of Bayern: http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/bayern.htm. It differs
> from "barry bendy" because there is no horizontal line division.
>
> Is this arrangmeent registerable?
In 2/05:
Sebastian Wolfgang von Bayern. Device. Per fess argent and paly
bendy argent and azure, on a demi-eagle issuant from the line of
division sable a mullet Or.
This device must be returned for using a partial field of
Bavaria, Lozengy bendwise azure and argent, with the surname von
Bayern. RfS XI.2 says, "Armory that asserts a strong claim of
identity in the context of the submitters name is considered
presumptuous." The field of Bavaria has, in fact, at various
times been disallowed entirely, much as the field of France is
disallowed. Since August 1995 it has been permitted, but the
combination of this field with the locative byname clearly puts
it over the line, making a claim to be of the House of Bavaria.
The issue of the upper half of the field was also raised, as it
resembles the arms of Prussia, Argent, an eagle displayed sable
crowned Or, making the overall design appear to be a dimidiation
per fess of Prussia and Bavaria. However, the SCA does not
recognize marshalling of arms per fess despite hints that this
may have been done in Germanic heraldry. Nebuly also points out
that this design resembles a chief of allegiance, but there are
period examples of vassals bearing such references to their
lord's arms. Thus, the combination of elements in this
submission, while evocative, is not itself a bar to
registration.
I don't suppose your client is Sebastian, moved from AEthelmearc?
Note that it doesn't say that a lozengy bendwise field is ipso facto
unregisterable, and Laurel tries to list all possible causes for
return. In fact, it was registered without comment in February 1997
by Aonghus MacThorcadail.
Mind you, the conflict space may be a bit larger than you realize:
Sybille la Chatte. Device. Lozengy sable and ermine.
Conflict with the dukes of Teck (important non-SCA arms),
Lozengy bendwise sable and Or. There is one CD for changing the
tincture of half the field, but no difference is given between
lozengy and lozengy bendwise by prior precedent: "The field here
[Lozengy azure and argent] is functionally the same as Bavaria
[Lozengy bendwise azure and argent]" (LoAR December 1993 (b),
p.10).
I'd have to see a depiction to see whether the design is
recognizable. If the second color were red instead of blue, it might
be more recognizable.
(Personally, I consider your submitter's design to be ugly and not
similar to any period style I've seen, but that won't be cause for
return until after my coup d'etat to take over the College of Arms.
Anyway, I won't be the one who has to live with it.)
Danielis Lindecolina
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Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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