[ANSTHRLD] Consulting Library

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Sun May 21 22:15:41 PDT 2006


On Sun, 21 May 2006, Faelan Caimbeul <faelancaimbeul at gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> > If you mean something like "Michael: see Withycombe, p. 317;
> > Reaney and Wilson, p. 411; Dauzat, p. 23" (the pages are totally
> > made up, and there's more than one Dauzat anyway).  That's useless
> > for doccing, but I can forsee naive submitters copying that into
> > the doc box verbatim.  If you already know the language and
> > culture, you know to check Withycombe, R&W, or whatever.  If you
> > don't know the language or culture, the submitter should know
> > (because how did they get the name?), or you can ask someone to
> > check Yonge or Hanks and Hodges for pointers.
>
> Why can't we include cultural references too?

What you should have for documentation is not just "cultural
reference", but the entire text.  Magnus, can you expand on this (or
tell me that, as usual, I'm full of it)?

> If we only enter info from the books on the approved list of stuff
> that doesn't need documentation, then that's all we need is "Bob:
> English, 1236, See Wythicomb, pg 6"
>
> I thought that was the point of the approved library list.

There is no "stuff that doesn't need documentation" when it comes to
names.  You have to justify each element.

As for an "approved library list": we don't have such a term and I
don't see what would deserve it.  The CoA Admin Handbook has

    Appendix H - Name Books That Do Not Require Photocopies to Laurel

    This is a list of "standard books" that do not require photocopies
    to be sent to Laurel. The Laurel office and several kingdom
    heraldic offices have copies of all of these books, and urges the
    Kingdom Colleges to acquire copies of any they do not have. Note:
    The LoI must contain the header name and page number and edition
    of the book in which the reference name is found. In addition, all
    articles found on www.sca.org/heraldry do not require photocopies.

and lists Benicoeur, Bahlow, Bardsley, Black, ...  Withycombe,
Woodward, Woulfe, and KWHS Proceedings.

But that's merely a "no photocopy" list.  As it says in that
paragraph, those are just common books that Laurel has and that
kingdoms have or ought to have.  It doesn't approve of everything in
those sources.  For example, Withycombe is now known to be unreliable
for names outside Britain (perhaps outside England, but I'm not sure
about that).  Fucilla and De Felice give very few dates.  Parker has a
lot of invented or bizarre terms.  Any particular assertion in any
source is subject to being refuted.

> As for culture matching and matrinomic/patranomics, etc., that's
> what we have heralds for

Tabards are not antennae that link into the Mystic Heraldic
Luminiferous Æether.  Heralds have to get the info from somewhere.

Danyll de Lincoln
-- 
Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com



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