[ANSTHRLD] conflict double check
tmcd at panix.com
tmcd at panix.com
Thu May 4 22:22:21 PDT 2006
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Bill Butler <chemistbb3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is a shamrock by default slipped (with a stem)or is
> there a difference in the length of the stem holding
> the leaves between the default and it being slipped?
> If it was slipped, would that help to define it being
> fesswise.
As the Pic Dic says under "Foil" (pointed to by "Shamrock"):
The trefoil is the only foil-flower that is shown slipped by
default; the others have no slips unless specifically blazoned.
(Even the trefoil has the slip blazoned occasionally, though it's
the SCA default.) The trefoil is also the only foil-flower with a
definite default posture, with a petal to chief; period examples
of cinquefoils, by comparison, may be drawn with a petal to chief,
or a petal to base. Most foil-flowers follow the convention of
the trefoil, and are drawn as in the illustrations, with a petal
to chief.
A variant on the trefoil is the "shamrock", the symbol of Ireland
[sic]; its leaves are heart-shaped and have no points. The
distinction is purely artistic; no heraldic difference is granted.
As I opined before: even without slipping, I think the petals are
large enough and far enough from symmetry that the orientation can be
seen and cause a CD.
Danielis Lindocolina
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Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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