[ANSTHRLD] Who wants to gimme a hand here?

[Jay Rudin]

Facing the same way isn't required, but it is better heraldic style.  The 
modern eye prefers symmetry, as you have drawn it.  (Reflected in a mirror, 
it looks the same.)  But the medieval eye preferred repetition -- each raven 
looks like the other.

A glance at the shields or banners at any event will show you that the 
modern approach is acceptable -- it just would be more medieval if they both 
faced to the (shield's) right.

Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James" <bajula at windfire.net>
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Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:04 PM
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> ahhh okay. They are supposed to be ravens. I took the pic part from the
> dublin raven. but I guess the hairy ones could do as well. I really 
> thought
> three of them for a while, but the whole
> odin follower persona thing fit better with two. forethought and hindsight 
> I
> think are better facing opposite directions. but that might have been just 
> a
> 'looks' thing in my own head, if it's "mo' betta" with them being hairy 
> and
> facing the same direction I can do that. I just can't DRAW it. *rofl*
> I can do the non hairy ones. haha. Facing the same way shouldn't be a
> biggie.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jennifer Smith" <jds at randomgang.com>
> To: "'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Who wants to gimme a hand here?
>
>
>> James wrote:
>> > Disclaimer before you screech in pain or anger at me :) I did a little
>> > reading, but only enough
>> > to know I know diddly about heraldry. I 'think' this is okay. and I am
>> > fairly sure it doesn't
>> > conflict with anything, but blazons make my brain hurt.
>>
>> Hey, questions are what this list is for! No disclaimer necessary.
>>
>> >[...]
>> > it is at http://www.windfire.net/test.jpg
>>
>> I would blazon this as "Vert, a valknut and on a chief Or two birds
> (ravens?
>> Not hairy enough) close respectant sable."
>>
>> > I heard heralds don't like the valknut so forgive me on that
>> > part, if you
>> > will. Other than that feel
>> > free to verbally tear it to shreds. :)
>>
>> The valknut was ruled still acceptable as a charge as recently as June
> 2002,
>> and was registered as recently as March 2006:
>>
>> [Sable, a valknut inverted argent] The Letter of Intent asked us to
>> rule on whether the valknut should continue to be registered. As noted in
>> the LoAR of September 1993, the valknut is a period artistic motif which
> was
>> not used in period heraldry. It was incorporated into SCA heraldry and 
>> has
>> been registered infrequently but steadily thereafter. The September 1993
>> argument in favor of the valknut's registration appears to continue to
> hold
>> true. It is identifiable when inverted, just as a triangle is 
>> identifiable
>> when inverted.
>>
>> Would-be users of the valknut should take note of the fact that its
>> "thin-line" nature can make it difficult to identify. Poor contrast, 
>> small
>> size or overlying charges are all likely to render it unidentifiable.
> Since
>> this device uses the valknut as the only charge on a high contrast field,
> it
>> maintains its identifiability splendidly. [Esteban de Quesada, 06/02,
>> A-Lochac]
>>
>> So I'd say that part is good to go. A quick glance through both the 
>> 'knot'
>> and 'triangle' categories in the online O&A didn't turn up any conflicts.
> It
>> would be better period style if the two birds faced in the same 
>> direction,
>> and there were three of them, but that's just my preference. :)
>>
>> -Emma
>>
>>
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