[ANSTHRLD] badge ideas

[Tim McDaniel]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Hedwig von Luneborg <lochherald at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK so if we blazon it as an estolie (which is actually what I used
> for the picture)

I don't have the original URL to hand any more.  Did you indeed draw
the starfish with wavy arms, or with straight arms?


By the way, I should now quote the applicable precedent, from the
March 2004 LoAR:

     Stromgard, Barony of. Order name Order of the Silver Seastar.

     This name is being returned for non-period style. A seastar is
     another term for a starfish. The Order of the Starfish was
     recently returned with the explanation:

         This order name is being returned for non-period style. RfS
         III.2.b.ii, Names of Orders and Awards, states:

             Names of orders and awards must follow the patterns of the
             names of period orders and awards.

             These are often the names of saints; others are similar to
             sign names (see RfS III.2.a.iii). Some examples are: the Order
             of Saint Michael, the Order of Saint Maurice and Saint
             Lazarus, the Brethren of the Sword, the Order of the Garter,
             La Toison dOr (the Order of the Golden Fleece), the Order of
             the Golden Rose, the Order of the Star, the Order of the Swan,
             La Orden de la Jara (the Knights of the Tankard), the Order of
             Lilies.

         This order name does not follow the pattern of basing an order
         name on a heraldic charge. To follow that pattern, the charge
         in question must either be (1) documented as a period heraldic
         charge or (2) must have been ruled to be registerable as a
         charge within the S.C.A. In the case of a starfish, precedent
         specifically states that it is not a registerable charge:

             As originally blazoned, the mullet was blazoned as a
             starfish. Starfish have been reblazoned as mullets in the
             past:

                 The starfish is not, to the best of our knowledge, a
                 period heraldic charge; it seems to have started use
                 in Victorian heraldry (Elvin, plate 32). [reblazoned
                 as mullets, leaving internal markings as artistic
                 license] (Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, LoAR October
                 1992, p. 18).

             [Jaelle of Armida, LoAR December 1997, p. 6]

         RfS III.2.a.ii says that some order names were "similar to
         sign names". In those cases, both sign names and order names
         are formed using names of heraldic charges. Since there is
         evidence that a starfish was not a period heraldic charge, it
         is highly unlikely that it would be used in a period sign
         name. Lacking evidence that it is plausible as an element in a
         period sign name, it is not registerable in a sign name
         construction. [Aquaterra, Barony of, Order name Order of the
         Starfish, 09/2002 LoAR, R-An Tir]

     The same problems present in the Order of the Starfish are present
     in the currently submitted Order of the Seastar. Lacking evidence
     that seastar is a plausible element in a period sign name, it is
     not registerable in a sign name construction.

DdL
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Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com