[ANSTHRLD] the name Willow WAS: temporal restrictions

[Hedwig]

Hmmmm well Searle says
Wilo nomen viri
Fn 1303


so 1303?

HvL


On 4/5/07, kobrien at texas.net <kobrien at texas.net> wrote:
>
> Since it's Searle, the language is going to be Old English and/or Latin
> from
> the Old English period.
>
> Also, if I remember correctly (and you'll want to check this when you pull
> the cite), <Wilo> and <Willo> are masculine given names.  This may be of
> interest to the submitter.
>
> I'm assuming this is for the submitter who wanted <Willow> with some form
> of
> MacMurray - per the thread in the last week.
>
> If so, it's important to note that mixing Scots with Old English is not
> registerable.  Same for Anglicized Irish with Old English.
>
> However, Old English with Gaelic of a similar time period is registerable
> with one Step From Period Practice (old term = "weirdness").
>
> Here's the ruling for that:
>
> -----------------
>
> This name combines an Irish Gaelic given name dated from the 8th to 11th C
> with an Old English byname. Olof von Feilitzen, The pre-Conquest Personal
> names of the Domesday Book [sic], p. 30, says of Irish names that appear
> in
> the Domesday book:
> The Irish names, which were introduced in the 10th and 11th centuries by
> celticized Norwegians from Ireland and the Isle of Man, are with very few
> exceptions (Ch, L; Sa?) not found outside of Yorkshire.
>
> Some of the given names in the Domesday Book that he identifies as
> referring
> to Irish names are: Fyach (p. 251 s.n. Fíacc), Gilemicel and Ghilemicel
> (p.
> 261 s.n. Gillemicel), Gilepatric and Ghilepatric (p. 261 Gillepatric), and
> Melmidoc (p. 323 s.n. Maelmaedhog). It is important to note that these
> forms
> are not Gaelic spellings, but Old English renderings of Gaelic names.
> Given
> these examples, mixing Gaelic and Old English in a name is registerable,
> though there is a weirdness for mixing the orthographies of Old English
> and
> Gaelic. [Eithne of Cantwaraburg, 08/2002, A-East]
>
> -----------------
>
> so, depending on the dates Searle gives for <Wilo> & <Willo>, something
> should be registerable, though not authentic.
>
> I can't remember if the client wanted the byname based off <Muiredach> or
> <Muirchertach>, so I'll include spellings for both here.
>
> Registerable forms may be something close to:
>
> Wilo mac Muiredaig
> Willo mac Muiredaig
> Wilo mac Muirchertaig
> Willo mac Muirchertaig
>
> It will all depend on what the entry in Searle says.
>
> Docs for the byname spellings can be found at:
>
> http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muiredach.shtml
>
>
> http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muirchertach.shtml
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mari
> > OMG you have no Idea...
> >
> > Do you have that citation handy?  Can you please help me out here with
> the
> > bibliographic info etc.?  I do not have that book in my barony's
> library.
> >
> > Hedwig (the ever hunting)
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/07, Luciana Caterina di Borghese <dolce.luce at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I dunno if this will help or not, BUT......Searle's Onomasticon has
> > > both <Willo> and <Wilo> on pg 498. I know that Searle is not always
> > > considered to be the top authority on Old English, but the book 'is'
> on
> > > the
> > > no-photocopy-needed list.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps,
> > >
> > > Luciana
> > >
> > > On 4/5/07, Hedwig <honeyfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK...I have also been precedent diving for the name Willow and have
> > > found
> > > > nothing on it definitively as a first name from ANY Culture.  I have
> > > spent
> > > > long hours looking at St Gabe's too.  Can anyone direct me toward
> > > > information on this?  Please?  I'm trying here :-)
> > > >
> > > > Hedwig the Desperate
>
>
>
>
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