[ANSTHRLD] the name Willow WAS: temporal restrictions

Thu Apr 5 11:32:51 PDT 2007

The name was returned at Laurel level.  So to resubmit do we start over from
kingdom or what...how does that work?  I've never had that happen before.

Thank you all so much for your help.  No one has any idea how much this will
mean to the goode lady I'm helping.

Hedwig

On 4/5/07, kobrien at texas.net <kobrien at texas.net> wrote:
>
> The 1303 is a location in the source (Fn) not a date.  The <Willo> entry
> on
> the same page also doesn't have a date.  It says:
>
> Willo nomen viri
> Piper
>
> "Piper" is the source.
>
> p. xxxix:
> Fn = F{O:}rstemann (Ern.) Altdeutsches Namenbuch. Vol. 1 Persononnamen 2
> vols. 4to. Nordhausen 1856-72.
>
> Piper = ??
> Searle (p. xlix) lists two:
>
> Piper (Ferd.) Die Calendarien ... der A.S. 8vo. Berl. 1862
>
> Piper (Paulus) Libri confraternitatum S. Galli Augiensis Fabariensis 4to.
> Berl. [MGH] 1884.
>
> So, I can't tell dates for either <Wilo> or <Willo> just from the titles
> of
> these sources.  Unfortunately.  Someone who's worked with Searle much more
> than I have (like Talan or Metron Ariston) may know.  And Metron Ariston
> comments at the CoA level, so if you can get the name that far, her 2
> cents
> can come in then.
>
> Mari
>
>
> Quoting Hedwig <honeyfrog at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hmmmm well Searle says
> > Wilo nomen viri
> > Fn 1303
> >
> >
> > so 1303?
> >
> > HvL
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/07, kobrien at texas.net <kobrien at texas.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Since it's Searle, the language is going to be Old English and/or
> Latin
> > > from
> > > the Old English period.
> > >
> > > Also, if I remember correctly (and you'll want to check this when you
> > pull
> > > the cite), <Wilo> and <Willo> are masculine given names.  This may be
> of
> > > interest to the submitter.
> > >
> > > I'm assuming this is for the submitter who wanted <Willow> with some
> > form
> > > of
> > > MacMurray - per the thread in the last week.
> > >
> > > If so, it's important to note that mixing Scots with Old English is
> not
> > > registerable.  Same for Anglicized Irish with Old English.
> > >
> > > However, Old English with Gaelic of a similar time period is
> > registerable
> > > with one Step From Period Practice (old term = "weirdness").
> > >
> > > Here's the ruling for that:
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > This name combines an Irish Gaelic given name dated from the 8th to
> 11th
> > C
> > > with an Old English byname. Olof von Feilitzen, The pre-Conquest
> > Personal
> > > names of the Domesday Book [sic], p. 30, says of Irish names that
> appear
> > > in
> > > the Domesday book:
> > > The Irish names, which were introduced in the 10th and 11th centuries
> by
> > > celticized Norwegians from Ireland and the Isle of Man, are with very
> > few
> > > exceptions (Ch, L; Sa?) not found outside of Yorkshire.
> > >
> > > Some of the given names in the Domesday Book that he identifies as
> > > referring
> > > to Irish names are: Fyach (p. 251 s.n. Fíacc), Gilemicel and
> Ghilemicel
> > > (p.
> > > 261 s.n. Gillemicel), Gilepatric and Ghilepatric (p. 261 Gillepatric),
> > and
> > > Melmidoc (p. 323 s.n. Maelmaedhog). It is important to note that these
> > > forms
> > > are not Gaelic spellings, but Old English renderings of Gaelic names.
> > > Given
> > > these examples, mixing Gaelic and Old English in a name is
> registerable,
> > > though there is a weirdness for mixing the orthographies of Old
> English
> > > and
> > > Gaelic. [Eithne of Cantwaraburg, 08/2002, A-East]
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > so, depending on the dates Searle gives for <Wilo> & <Willo>,
> something
> > > should be registerable, though not authentic.
> > >
> > > I can't remember if the client wanted the byname based off <Muiredach>
> > or
> > > <Muirchertach>, so I'll include spellings for both here.
> > >
> > > Registerable forms may be something close to:
> > >
> > > Wilo mac Muiredaig
> > > Willo mac Muiredaig
> > > Wilo mac Muirchertaig
> > > Willo mac Muirchertaig
> > >
> > > It will all depend on what the entry in Searle says.
> > >
> > > Docs for the byname spellings can be found at:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muiredach.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muirchertach.shtml
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > > Mari
> > > > OMG you have no Idea...
> > > >
> > > > Do you have that citation handy?  Can you please help me out here
> with
> > > the
> > > > bibliographic info etc.?  I do not have that book in my barony's
> > > library.
> > > >
> > > > Hedwig (the ever hunting)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/5/07, Luciana Caterina di Borghese <dolce.luce at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I dunno if this will help or not, BUT......Searle's Onomasticon
> has
> > > > > both <Willo> and <Wilo> on pg 498. I know that Searle is not
> always
> > > > > considered to be the top authority on Old English, but the book
> 'is'
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > no-photocopy-needed list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that helps,
> > > > >
> > > > > Luciana
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/5/07, Hedwig <honeyfrog at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK...I have also been precedent diving for the name Willow and
> > have
> > > > > found
> > > > > > nothing on it definitively as a first name from ANY Culture.  I
> > have
> > > > > spent
> > > > > > long hours looking at St Gabe's too.  Can anyone direct me
> toward
> > > > > > information on this?  Please?  I'm trying here :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hedwig the Desperate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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