[ANSTHRLD] Help please - Conflict check for "Gyronny sable and Or, a wolf rampant holding a key azure"

[Tim McDaniel]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Alasdair MacEogan wrote:
>  On 4/19/07, Faelan Caimbeul <faelancaimbeul at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Here's another possible conflict, Gyronny Sable and Or, a lozenge
> > gules a wolf ululant, Or.
>
> Minor correction to Faelan's blazon.
>
> Gyronny sable and Or, _on_ a lozenge gules a wolf _sejant_ ululant
> Or.

It's easier to look up if you provide the owner's name, and might as
well provide the kingdom and date too while you're in the
Ordinary. ... Ah, I see why Faelan mentioned it without looking it up:

     F{a'}el{a'}n Caimbeul, April of 2006 (via Caid):
     Gyronny sable and Or, on a lozenge gules a wolf sejant ululant Or.

> Luciana, yes you are right I believe.  You have different primary
> charges (lozenge and wolf rampant) and addition of a tertiary (wolf
> sejant).

Yup.

> Actually the lozenge and wolf should show x.2 difference, correct?

What's the rule say?

     2. Substantially Different Charges - Simple armory does not
        conflict with other simple armory if the type of every primary
        charge is substantially changed.

        These types of changes were normally seen between complete
        strangers in blood, and were not usually used to indicate any
        form of cadency. For purposes of this rule, simple armory is
        defined as armory that has no more than two types of charge
        directly on the field and has no overall charges.

So, yeah, X.2 clears it as well.

X.1, X.2, and X.4 are independent means of clearing conflict.  If
they're clear under any one of them, they're clear (barring a visual
conflict call under X.5).  So you can use whichever one is fastest or
most sure for you.

> Even without the lozenge i think you would ged 2 cds. 1 for posture
> (sejant vs rampant) 1 for tincture (azure vs Or).  Of course
> Faelan's wolf could not be Or if it was on the field.

I believe that sejant is a CD from rampant: it moves all four legs and
shifts the body a bit as well.  If so, yeah.

Danielis Lindecolina
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Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com