[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check help needed. (Combattant Moose)

[Mike C. Baker]

> Alright, I will try this again. ;-)  I know eveyone is busy 
> but any help would be appreciated.

Busy is only half of it (new position starts *tomorrow* and I'm only
doing half-well with the current cold snap in Illinois)... But I need a
break.

HOWEVER:  based upon the evidence presented, I find the proposed device
clear of the items cited and for the reasons mentioned WITH the bordure.
(Personal preference / suggestion:  dove-tailing instead of
embattlement?)  Without the bordure, see opinion below.

> Per pale argent and azure, two moose combatant within a 
> bordure embattled counterchanged.
> 
> Here is a link to the emblazon so you do not have to rely on 
> my rusty blazoning skills.
> 
> http://sca.bmhanson.net/images/moose%20device.jpg
>
> The submitter would like to have it without the bordure if 
> possible, but I did find the following which I believe may conflict.
> 
> {AE}lfwynn of Boscastle:  Per pale argent and azure, two 
> horses combatant counterchanged.
> 
> I may be wrong but I think the addition of the bordure is 
> enough to clear the conflict.  1 CD for the bordure and 1 CD 
> for the type of primary charge.
> I do wonder if horses and moose are enough for a difference 
> under RFS X.2.
> If so could it be gotten without the bordure.
> 
> I have tried to look for what I believe to be other conflicts 
> with the bordure added and am coming up surprisingly empty. I 
> have tried looking at moose and stags as well as items per 
> pale argent and azure  and per pale azure and argent.
> 
> I did find :
> Constance de Saint Denis : Per pale azure and argent, a 
> bordure embattled counterchanged.
> 
> but I believe that should be different under RFS X.1
> 
> At this point I am screaming for help with this conflict 
> check.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Alasdair

To address the one particular question, moose vs. horse is visually
distinct due to the large and prominent antlers.  Moose vs. stag or
particularly elk (wapiti) would be very doubtful, Moose vs. bison /
buffalo / bull might be much more of a judgment call (*my* judgment
would argue for visually distinct - relatively huge palmate sprangle of
head display vs. small single conical horn on either side of head).

A precedence dive on "quadruped" or "large quadruped" might give a more
definitive response.

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