[ANSTHRLD] OP question - Court Baronies and Baronies in fief

[Darin Herndon]

On what I think will be my last post today on this thread... 

-----Original Message-----
Sir Morgan wrote:
So it could be argued that the OP is all about recording awards and
honors 
as well as anything that affects the order of precedence even if that 
"anything" isn't an award or an honor.  IE, "King, queen, baron,
baroness."

But I'm all for being able to FIND things.  It always annoys me when I
go to 
a group's (be it shire, barony, kingdom or anything else) web page and I

can't find a history page with a list of their past rulers...or
champions... 
I love history pages.
-----Original Message-----

A Roll of Precedence is the recorded document, in whatever form.  Saying
Order of Precedence or OP to refer to the document is a misnomer but
almost universally, commonly, understood as the document.  The OP is
actually the sort order of the index, or the "March" order that Mistress
Clare referred to in her email this morning.

Current King and Queen are listed in the Roll because a current March
would need that for sorting.  Past Kings and Queens get sorted by the
date their Counties and Duchies are given.  You need that for the March
order.  But, a Duke who has ruled 4 times and got their duchy after a
Duke who only ruled twice got their duchy doesn't impact the order; its
all who got their duchy first.  So those details don't get tracked
historically.

Strictly speaking, a Roll should only include mention of items that
actually affect rank/precedence.  That is what it is intended to do
historically.  But, it has been the best roll/database for tracking
these kingdom ceremonial orders and they have crept in over time.  In an
ideal administrative world, all entries would be flagged as a
rank/precedence item or not so that you could get a strict roll when you
need that or get all of the ceremonials, awards, etc. for doing long
processionals into court or pas de arms, etc.

Our kingdom Roll primarily exists to enable our kingdom to
sort/rank/index people by our kingdom's defined Order of precedence.  As
such, it should only really contain awards and orders which affect that
ranking, whether received in this kingdom or elsewhere, to accomplish
that primary purpose.  As a matter of recording history, it should also
track awards given by our Crown that have no precedence ranking so that
those items are tracked somewhere.  But, I tend to agree that the format
of the database for a Roll lends itself to tracking ceremonial honors
and other things received and having them in one place does make
preparing processionals much easier for the herald, and I do like that.

Etienne

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