[ANSTHRLD] more name info

[Alasdair MacEogan]

OK, that is what I get for trying to respond while also working.

Rhiannon is considered NON period.

Also I will look up the precedents

1.  Found several references, but the following is pretty helpful from Da'ud II

"What Names Are ‘SCA-Compatible'?...  Having found that my own baronial herald was slightly confused on the subject of ‘SCA-compatibility', I thought that it might be helpful to list the status of some of the most common names that have been considered under this rubric.  The post-period English name Fiona, which is not to be confused with the period Irish name Fíona (earlier Fíne), has long been considered ‘SCA-compatible'.  So have the names Cer(r)idwen (Ker(r)idwen), Rhiannon, Bronwen, Branwen, Rowen(a), and Rhonwen, all of which may be found in Welsh myth and legend, but none of which seems to have been in actual use by real people in our period.  Guendolen/Gwendolen, a name based on a misreading of a masculine name and attested only in fiction, was declared ‘SCA-compatible' in the 8/95 Cover Letter; more modern spellings of the name were disallowed.  Brian(n)a, a modern feminization of Brian that follows no known period model, was declared ‘SCA-compatible' in the 12/95 Cover Letter."

2.  From the tenure of François la Flamme - 2001.08

"The combination of Scots and Welsh is registerable, though it is considered a weirdness. As such, Anton Cwith is registerable as a mix of Scots and Welsh. Note: this ruling does not alter previous rulings prohibiting mixed Gaelic/Welsh names, as Scots is a different language than Scottish Gaelic. [Anton Cwith, 08/01, A-Ansteorra]"



>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Alasdair MacEogan <alasdair at bmhanson.net>
>  Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] more name info
>  Sent: 30 Mar '07 09:09
>  
>  There is no documentation to indicate that Rhiannon was ever used as a name for people in period.  It was only used as a name for the goddess therefore it is considered no period to use it as a person's name.  That is where the weirdness comes in.
>  
>  As for the intermingling of Scots and Welsh, it is my understanding that there is no documented case of someone using both languages when constructing their name.  They would pick one or the other.  Being as they did have contact it has been allowed, but also considered a non period practice and is a weirdness.
>  
>  If I get a chance I will dig up the precedences.
>  
>  Alasdair
>  
>  >  -------Original Message-------
>  >  From: Faelan Caimbeul <faelancaimbeul at gmail.com>
>  >  Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] more name info
>  >  Sent: 30 Mar '07 08:47
>  >  
>  >  Why is Rhiannon a weirdness? The name is that of a celtic goddess from
>  >  millenia ago. Also, beings as the Scots and Welsh intermingled at many
>  >  points in history, why would it be such a stretch to have a Welsh surname
>  >  and a Scots given name? That doesn't seem like a stretch at all, they're all
>  >  from the same little island.
>  >  
>  >  Faelan
>  >  
>  >  On 3/29/07, kobrien at texas.net <kobrien at texas.net> wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  > > >  So basically she needs a Welsh/English surname to clear the second
>  >  > > >  weirdness...
>  >  > >
>  >  > > That's how I interpret it.
>  >  >
>  >  > Or else she changes the given name to one that was actually used in period
>  >  > -
>  >  > that would remove the weirdness / step from period practice for use of an
>  >  > element that is registerable ONLY because it has been ruled SCA
>  >  > Compatible.
>  >  >
>  >  > For Scottish Gaelic women's names (which would fit with her byname
>  >  > culture),
>  >  > she could look at:
>  >  > http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/women.shtml
>  >  >
>  >  > For Welsh and the basic form of her byname, I'd recommend:
>  >  > http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh16.html
>  >  >
>  >  > The format of her byname is not quite correct, but it's easily fixable
>  >  > with a
>  >  > small change or two.  I'll need to look at my data at home to suggest
>  >  > tweaks,
>  >  > but I'll wait to do that until you know if she's more interested in
>  >  > keeping
>  >  > her given name or the rest of her name.
>  >  >
>  >  > (By the way, the middle element is a patronymic, indicating her father's
>  >  > given name was Bryan, rather than a middle name as we think of it today.)
>  >  >
>  >  > Hope this helps,
>  >  >
>  >  > Mari
>  >  >
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