[ANSTHRLD] OT but still heraldry
HL Chiara Francesca
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Sun May 6 20:47:20 PDT 2007
Major cool input!
Yes, I am finding much of the same thing and am glad that I am not the only
one cringing when I see all those quartering symbols for universities.
This is for the District as a whole, not one of the 30 schools in the
system, it is a k-12 public school district. I have been researching the
name of the city founder since this is not for any specific school but for
all. He has no family heraldry that I can find. The city has no heraldry
either that I can find. It is a mystery that I am getting to use work time
I am going to ask if I can drive around the city to see if I can find
something on the buildings in the old section of town. :)
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Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] OT but still heraldry
> On Sat, 5 May 2007, Mike C. Baker <kihebard at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> [Chiara wrote:]
>> > Where can I find references to school heraldic rules if there are
>> > any. I.E. is there a set of rules for setting up an academic
>> > heraldic layout like there is for a crown or for a female or for a
>> > academic institusion, etc.
>> > Chiara
> There are no rules; more anon.
>> Beyond that: in the search for applicable rules I would start by
>> checking with the Texas Department of Education if they hold any
>> sway over the school
> It'd be worth doing a few minutes' search, I suppose, but I'd be
> gobsmacked if Texas had any rules about logos other than
> - don't get arrested
> - don't get us sued
> - don't offend people (avoid Ind^H^H^H Native Americans or other
> ethnic groups, for example)
> and those rules might not even be written down.
>> Traditional layouts used by schools in Oklahoma (and by casual
>> observation also in Texas) are often quarterly on a heater-shaped
> That's fairly common, I have to admit. It's also atrocious in terms
> of heraldic style. Detailed rant, er, explanation available upon
> request. Short form: that sort of design is "my life barcoded on my
> arms" and doesn't resemble real-world inherited quartered arms.
> If I could consult, I'd ask
> - "school district": public school?
> - what's the name of the school? For example, Washington DC uses the
> arms of a Washington family.
> - what are the school colors?
> - where is the school? The city's name, historical events, or
> whatever might be productive.
> - what is the mascot? Is the mascot in its natural colors
> (a tawny cougar, for example) or some other color?
>> Other relatively common elements: quill pen (full plume), scrolls,
>> books, athletic equipment, mortarboard hats, students in graduation
>> gowns (with the hats), academic equipment (esp. art, geometry &
>> drafting implements), animals particularly associated with local
>> agriculture, ears or garbs of wheat, other fruits/vegetables.
> For example, the colleges of Oxford
> (<http://www.ccstitches.co.uk/product.php?grp=G07&cat=C12&scat=z>) and
> tended to take the arms of the founder. Warning if you look at them:
> the founders tended to be "old money", or wanting to imitate them, so
> they often had quartered arms, reflecting their ancestry.
> There's a fair number of ecclesiastical charges, because the schools
> originally were designed to produce priests. I'd certainly avoid
> mitres and such. A cross caused a Big Fuss in the SCA Northern
> Atlantian Principality drive of a few years back, so best to avoid
> The one charge I notice in Oxbridge colleged: books. Open or closed,
> and if open sometimes with words ("truth" and suchlike).
> I don't remember seeing pens, scrolls, and such, but it wouldn't amaze
> me. For a rural school, agricultural symbols wouldn't be a bad idea.
> Danielis de Lindonio
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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