[ANSTHRLD] some comments on the April ILOI
radei at moscowmail.com
radei at moscowmail.com
Sun May 13 20:50:32 PDT 2007
Visually a "mullet of four" is a cross, is there not ample presedence for a cross in period? Specifically in the 11th century in eastern Kiev, there would be, and in this case there is, an intentional reference to the holy cross. both in motif and in intent, each point has a meaning.
It is by this thinking that I choose this configuration.
is more paperwork, or other work needed on this? Please advise me as to what I need to do about this, if anything at this point. I am not a hearald in SCA tradition, so I am not aware of the limits/goals of this<SCA> style.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "doug bell" <magnus77840 at hotmail.com>
> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] some comments on the April ILOI
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:20:58 +0000
> Magnus von Lubeck sends these (hopefully useful) comments on your April ILOI
> 12) Radei Drchevich. (Namron)
> [Device] Blazon as: "Quarterly gules and argent, on a lozenge
> throughout sable a mullet of four points Or." or "Sable vêtu
> quarterly gules and argent,a mullet of four points Or." Vêtu is a
> nasty thing to blazon.
> Consider Paul of Sunriver August 1982: "Azure, a compass star Or."
> There is nothing for a mullet of 4 points vs a compass star. Vetu
> is a field division. It looks like only 1 CD for changes to the
> field between the two devices. The rulings on vêtu are rather
> thin. Hopefully Eleanor Leonard doesn't come into this.
> [March 2004 LoAR, R-Middle] "Isabella Claybrook. Device. Vert
> vêtu ployé, a coney rampant maintaining a carrot inverted argent.
> Conflict with Boniface de Tennequay, Sable, a coney rampant argent,
> maintaining a torch Or. There is one CD for changing the field, but
> no difference for changing the maintained charge."
> [April 2003 LoAR, A-Ansteorra] "William Gordon. Name and
> device. Per pale sable and Or, on a lozenge throughout a mullet of
> four points counterchanged. This armory may also be blazoned as
> Per pale sable and Or vêtu a mullet of four points counterchanged.
> It must thus be considered versus the badge of Eleanor Leonard,
> (Tinctureless) A mullet of four points distilling a goutte. Eleanor
> Leonard gives a blanket letter of permission to conflict published
> in the Cover Letter to the January 2002 LoAR, which summarizes the
> contents of the letter as For permission to conflict, the primary
> charge and/or the field must use a divided tincture, a field
> treatment, or a fur. Both the mullet and the field are divided in
> this submission, so this armory qualifies for the permission to
> [November 2002 LoAR, R-Trimaris] "Isabel Margarita de
> Sotomayor y Pérez de Gerena. Device. Argent vêtu ployé quarterly
> sable and gules, a cat passant guardant sable. Conflict with
> William the Silent, Or, a natural panther passant guardant sable.
> There is only one CD for changing the tincture of the field. There
> is no type difference between a cat and a natural panther."
> [Argent vêtu ployé quarterly sable and gules, a cat passant
> guardant sable] This .... conflicts with Amber Lang, Vert, on a
> lozenge argent, a cat sejant guardant sable. When comparing armory
> using a vêtu field with armory using a lozenge, the comparison must
> be made in two ways: as if both pieces of armory used a vêtu field,
> and as if both pieces of armory used a lozenge. If we consider
> Isabel's armory as the equivalent blazon Quarterly sable and gules,
> on a lozenge ployé througout argent a cat passant guardant sable,
> there is one CD from Amber's armory for changing the field, but no
> difference by RfS X.4.j for changing only the posture of the
> tertiary charge. There is no difference between a lozenge and a
> lozenge ployé, nor is there difference between a lozenge and a
> lozenge throughout. [Isabel Margarita de Sotomayor y Pérez de
> Gerena, 11/02 LoAR, R-Trimaris]
> [(Fieldless) A compass star elongated to base quarterly azure
> and argent] This conflicts with Eric Blaxton: Quarterly argent,
> scaly sable, and azure, a mullet of four points counterchanged
> azure and argent. There is one CD for the field, but none for type
> between a mullet of four points and a compass star:
> [a mullet of four points elongated to base vs. a compass star]
> There is no difference between a mullet of four points and a
> compass star per the LoAR of January 2001: "As neither a compass
> star nor a mullet of four points are period charges, and they
> differ only by the addition of the lesser points, there is not a CD
> between a mullet of four points and a compass star." There is also
> no difference for the slight artistic variant in elongating the
> bottom point of a mullet. [May 2003, Ret-Atenveldt, Catherine Diana
> de Chambéry]
> [(Fieldless) A mullet sable] ... in conflict with ... A mullet of
> five greater and five lesser points distilling goutes. As with the
> mullet of four vs. a compass star (see the June 1995 LoAR, pg. 23),
> the lesser points of the mullet have very little visual impact, and
> as mullets of greater and lesser points are not known in period,
> the visual difference counts. This reaffirms the precedent set in
> July 1990 (pg. 13). [May 2000, Ret-Atlantia, Chirhart Blackstar]
> [a compass star vs a mullet of four points] The overwhelming visual
> similarities between a mullet of four points and a mullet of four
> greater and four lesser points/compass star, both of which are
> non-period charges, mandates against granting a ... CD for this
> relatively minor difference. [Jun 1995, Ret-Atenveldt, Raffaelle de
> The tincture of Eric's mullet is quarterly azure and argent, which
> matches the tincture of this submission's compass star. Therefore
> there is no CD for tincture, leaving just the CD for the field.
> [Oertha, Principality of, 05/04 LoAR, A-Trimaris]
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