[ANSTHRLD] Heralds Digest, Vol 24, Issue 3

Tue Apr 8 17:47:25 PDT 2008

Hello, I am a deputy chronincler for Bonwicke and in regards to Chaing ti Lung is there anything we can do to keep it in the system and me just get the payment to send in. He is being invested as our Baron on the 26th of this month and was wanting to have this done before then. 

  Julianna Hughes
  Bonwicke Deputy Chronicler

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Today's Topics:

1. Gulf Wars Heraldic Submissions (Alden Drake)
2. Procedure for transfering arms (Crandall)
3. King's College Website is up! (Eric Dickey)
4. Re: Procedure for transfering arms ( Alasdair MacEogan )
5. Re: Procedure for transfering arms (Alden Drake)
6. Re: Procedure for transfering arms (Tim McDaniel)
7. Re: Procedure for transfering arms (Teceangl)
8. Re: Procedure for transfering arms (Tim McDaniel)
9. Re: Procedure for transfering arms (Crandall)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:30:56 -0500
From: Alden Drake 
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Gulf Wars Heraldic Submissions
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org, heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
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Greetings all,
A good number of people submitted their names and armory at Gulf Wars, 
and I wanted to post the latest news. For everyone who paid at Heralds' 
Point and received copies back (from me), I sent your submissions onward 
to Asterisk Herald shortly after I returned from war.

Yesterday, I received a packet of submissions that were not picked up 
from Heralds' Point. This includes a few submissions that were paid 
for, but not fully finished by the heralds. If you paid in advance of 
your submissions being ready (your names appear on the following list), 
I have your payment and will complete the copies of your forms, and will 
then forward them to Asterisk:

Name (Items) [Branch of Residence]
1. Tessa of the Gardens (Device) [Bordermarch]
2. Snaebjorn Haraldsson (Device) [Rosenfeld]
3. Elisabeth von Trier (Name & Device) [Rosenfeld]

If your name appears on the following list, payment was not received and 
your submissions will be returned to you. You can then submit them with 
payment through your local herald. Local heralds, please note if any of 
the following individuals are in your branch, so you can provide 
assistance where needed.

Name (Items) [Branch of Residence]
1. Aislinn inghean Breanainn (Name) [Bryn Gwlad]
2. Chiang Ti Lung (Device) [Bonwicke]
3. Elizabeth Briolet (Name) [Bryn Gwlad]
4. Rene Candelane (Name & Device) [Bryn Gwlad]
5. Renault de Mont St. Michel (Name & Device) [Northkeep]
6. Tatiana de Valencia (Name & Device) [Bordermarch]

In service,
HL Alden Drake
Star Principal Herald

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Crandall 
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
To: heralds at ansteorra.org
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How is that done? 
One person to another? 

Crandall

One's sense of honor is the only thing that does not grow old, and the last pleasure, when one is worn out with age, is not, as the poet said, making money, but having the respect of one's fellow men.
-Thucydides

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:21:29 -0500
From: "Eric Dickey" 
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] King's College Website is up!
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
, "Ansteorran Bardic list"
, "Western Region of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
, "Ansteorra RapierNet"
, "Heralds List, Kingdom of
Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." , "Barony of
Steppes - SCA Inc." , "Barony of Elfsea"
, "Cooks within the SCA"
, "Emerald Keep"
, "Canton of Glaslyn - SCA, Inc."
, lindenwood

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Unto the good Gentles of Ansteorra does Lord Dietrich von Greyssen send
greetings this sun filled day!

I am writing this to inform all that King's College is coming up soon and
will be hosted by the Barony of the Steppes on June 14, 2008 at Wagon Master
RV Park in Sanger, TX.

For more information, please take a look at our website for this grand event
of knowledge. The site is at: http://steppes.ansteorra.org/kc/.

In humble service I remain,
Dietrich
Co Event Steward

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:35:32 -0500
From: " Alasdair MacEogan " 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
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I am not sure, but I would think (after looking at the heraldic will requirements) that all is needed is a letter sent to laurel with the following: the Society name of the owner, be signed by the legal name of the owner, adequately describe the item being transferred by the heraldic will, and adequately identify the person who is authorized to accept transfer of the item(s). 

Further if I were laurel I would want a letter from the recipient with SCA name, legal name and signature stating that they accept the transfer of the armory.

This si of course assumign that it is allowed by Laurel. I could not find any information on transferring armory in the admin handbook.

> -------Original Message-------
> From: Crandall 
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
> Sent: 08 Apr '08 10:42
> 
> How is that done?
> One person to another?
> 
> Crandall
> 
> One's sense of honor is the only thing that does not grow old, and the last pleasure, when one is worn out with age, is not, as the poet said, making money, but having the respect of one's fellow men.
> -Thucydides
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:36:32 -0500
From: Alden Drake 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
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Crandall wrote:
> How is that done? 
> One person to another? 
>
> Crandall
>
> One's sense of honor is the only thing that does not grow old, and the last pleasure, when one is worn out with age, is not, as the poet said, making money, but having the respect of one's fellow men.
> -Thucydides
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> 
It requires a letter from the person transferring the item AND a letter 
from the recipient accepting the item. Both letters should include SCA 
names and mundane names of the transferring and receiving parties. 
Also, the letter from the recipient should include how the device is to 
be received. If the recipient has a registered device that is to be 
kept as a device, the received device should be converted to a badge. 
If the recipient intends to replace his/her existing device with the 
transferred device, it should be indicated that his/her existing device 
should be released or converted to a badge. A resourceful herald would 
draft up a single letter with both parts included and have both parties 
sign their respective parts.

I think that about covers how I've done such a request in the past.

Alden

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:39:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tim McDaniel 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Crandall wrote:
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
>
> How is that done?
> One person to another?

Any item can be transferred from one owner to another, provided

- the recipient is not at their limit (if any) for items of that type.
For an armory transfer to an individual, the recipient could have no
more than 3 armory items already. (If they have 4 or more pieces of
armory already registered, they would have to dispose of one item
before accepting the transfer.)

- the armory does not have any reserved charges to which the recipient
is not entitled. For example, if the armory has a white belt, the
recipient must be a knight. Armory with a laurel wreath is branch
arms, and can be transferred only to another branch as the recipient
branch's arms (and, as with any action that involves the name or
arms of a branch, there's have to be a petition at both ends).
An order or award name could only be transferred to an SCA branch
with a ceremonial head, not a shire or canton.

No fee is charged by Laurel.

No normal forms are provided. However, there must be a letter from
the donor giving the arms, with a real signature by the donor (e-mail
doesn't count), and there must be a similar letter from the recipient
accepting the transfer, with a real signature by the recipient (e-mail
doesn't count). Both letters can be written or photocopied onto the
same piece of paper for convenience in handling.

I don't know that there's an explicit statement of how many copies you
need. For a name, I'd make 5, the number of name form copies that I'd
make for a new name submission. For armory, I'd make 6, the number of
color copies for armory. (6 > 4, the number of line drawing copies.
That is, making 6 copies means that one copy can be sent to every
place that they'd send a color copy.) (In these counts, I include a
copy for the submitter, a copy for the local herald or herald being
submitted thru, and the normal copies as specified in the Ansteorran
CoH Admin Handbook at
.)

I STRONGLY suggest using the standard template letter of transfer /
letter of acceptance of transfer. My network is groggy at the moment,
so I can't find them. I'm pretty sure they were on a recent LoAR
Cover Letter: you can use to do a
moderately convenient search.

On the external Letter of Intent, and therefore presumably in the
Internal Letter of Intent, they are shown as two actions, the transfer
listed under the name of the donor, the acceptance of transfer listed
under the name of the recipient.

6. Foo de Bar. Transfer of badge to Grognard Kvetch. Argent, an
example sable.

7. Frederick Blah. Name. ...

8. George Justshowingthattheitemsarealphabetizednormally. Name
appeal. ...

9. Grognard Kvetch. Acceptance of transfer of badge from Foo de
Bar. Argent, an example sable.

Danielis Lindocolina
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:40:53 -0700
From: Teceangl 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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> I STRONGLY suggest using the standard template letter of transfer /
> letter of acceptance of transfer. My network is groggy at the moment,
> so I can't find them. I'm pretty sure they were on a recent LoAR
> Cover Letter: you can use to do a
> moderately convenient search.

The letter templates were in the January 2007 cover letter:
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2007/01/07-01cl.html

There are letters of transfer for name and armory, and letters of
acceptance of transfer for each.

- Teceangl
-- 
Heraldry is designed to be easily reproduced by anyone who sees the arms. -
http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/clichelist.html

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:59:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tim McDaniel 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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One more note:

>From Laurel: Society Chronicler Policy

In the President's Report of the January 2008 Board meeting there
appeared an amended policy regarding publication of personal
information on the Internet. This reads, in part, "Personal
information will not be published on any SCA-recognized Internet
site without first gaining permission from the individuals
involved. The single exception for the use of the correlation of
modern name to society name would be in the reporting of corporate
documents, such as the board minutes. Permission must be received
in writing - email is acceptable.

For the purposes of this policy, personal information includes the
following. Permission to electronically publish the contact
information of an individual is in effect until the same
individual revokes permission.

Correlation of modern name to Society name

Home or work address

Phone numbers

Personal email address"

Since the submission process involves a lot of personal
information appearing on web sites, I inquired of the President of
the SCA how this (not new, but a restatement of existing policy)
affects us. His response was, in part, "my interpretation is that
use of the submission process constitutes permission to allow your
name and personal information to be filed as all others
are. Further, again, with OSCAR, use of the system can constitute
permission."

However, occasionally modern names will appear in a Letter of
Intent that are not the names of current submitters, especially
(though not exclusively) in letters of permission to
conflict. Unlike a submission dealing with a legal name allowance,
someone granting permission to conflict is unlikely to assume that
their legal name will be connected publicly with their SCA
name. The roster and comments are password protected, but the LoIs
are not. Submissions heralds should therefore make sure that such
connections of legal and SCA names do not appear on LoIs. A
reminder to this effect has already been posted on OSCAR.

Principal Heralds and others should be aware of this regarding any
personal information displayed or referenced on their Kingdom
College of Heralds web sites, and talk to their Kingdom Chronicler
if any questions arise.

Therefore, if a transfer makes it into the internal commentary system
or onto OSCAR (the external system), it's OK to quote transfer and
acceptance letters (or letters of permission) verbatim EXCEPT THAT THE
REAL NAMES MUST BE OMITTED, and any other personal information other
than the SCA name and the item(s) being manipulated.

Daniel de Linccolne
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Crandall 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Procedure for transfering arms
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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Thanks to all who know things and have helped me
and my nephew. 

Crandall, Olde Phart 

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