[ANSTHRLD] Name Change Question

Cerise Jennings calibrey at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 12 13:57:48 PST 2008

  Thank you for answering my question. I'm a new Herald and was told I could get help here. I do appreciate your time. In answer to your response,I used quotes because I utilized a direct quote from Alden off a link from the Ansteorran Heraldry resources page. I thought it best not to allude that it was my personal original wording. I'm sorry if I mistakenly indicated I was sneering. I wasn't. I do appreciate your tutellage as to common protocol on this list. I would rather be helped than just assume. So thank you very much :)
  The submitter's name in question was Aerin for a female gaelic persona (she's not decisive on years). Her current legal name is Melinda Sue Kinser. She wants to change it to Melinda Sue Aerin Stuart, and wants to use Aerin of Adlersrue as her SCA name.
  I think you've answered my question, again thank you.
  Ldy Clairiandra Delemere
Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Cerise Jennings wrote:
> I know that "one element of a submitter's mundane name may be
> used as a name element of their SCA name, provided proof of name
> (DL/birth cert) is included in the submission. "
It's best not to use quotation marks around something that's not a
quotation (except for "sneer quotes", definitional quotes, and such).


4. Legal Names. - Elements of the submitters legal name may be
used as the corresponding part of a Society name, if such
elements are not excessively obtrusive and do not violate other
sections of these rules.

This allows individuals to register elements of their legal
name that cannot be documented from period sources. The
allowance is only made for the actual legal name, not any
variants. Someone whose legal given name is Ruby may register
Ruby as a Society given name, but not Rubie, Rubyat, or
Rube. Corresponding elements are defined by their type, not
solely their position in the name. This means a person with the
legal name Andrew Jackson could use Jackson as a surname in his
Society name in any position where a surname is appropriate,
such as Raymond Jackson Turner or Raymond Jackson of London,
not just as his last name element.

> But I didn't want her legally changing her name, in hopes of it
> helping her SCA naming process and then get disappointed and stuck
> with a new middle name, etc.

That's an excellent notion, most worthy one.

> I have a submitter that has been using an SCA name that is not for
> her gender or country or time period...but she's horribly in love
> with it. ... She's wanting to get her last name changed for
> mundane reasons. While she's in there changing, she wants to change
> her middle name too, to make it that documentable name so she can
> use it with this "it's my mundane name" clause for her SCA name.

In general, when asking for help on SCA names or armory, it's really
best to give the name or armory in question. Many is the time when
someone has asked a question "Is OK?", I've said "yes", and
they've come back explaining "" and it turns out to be
- one of the special cases that I glossed over where it's not OK
- unusable for some other reason

This is one of those cases. "Corresponding elements are defined by
their type, not solely their position in the name." applies
particularly strongly to middle names, which in American culture can
easily be either from given-name stock or an inherited surname
(American women often moved their birth surname to be their middle
name upon marriage). Witnesseth my sister, who started as
Mary Sue McDaniel and became Mary McDaniel Lewis.

I'm not sure whether "Madison McMurphy" could argue that the first
name in American culture is always considered a given name regardless
of its origin, and therefore register "Madison of London". Certainly
if she were "Anne Madison McMurphy", Laurel (Pelican) would see that
"Madison" was a surname in origin and would return "Madison of

So: what's the name element in question?

Daniel Lincolinum
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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