[ANSTHRLD] Saxon female name

MissingLink MissingLink at phulesgold.com
Fri Feb 29 15:42:04 PST 2008

Narienda is from Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum documented [699] abbess from Kent.    Alric is also shown in the same source as 
a given name as early as 693.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kobrien at texas.net
  To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Saxon female name

  Quoting MissingLink <MissingLink at phulesgold.com>:

  > Greetings to all,
  > I have a member who is wanting an early (7-8c) Saxon female name.  She
  > likes Nerienda and wants a patronymic surname
  > (father's name will be Alric).  While I can find a lot about forming male
  > patronymics, I  have found precious little about
  > female.  I have seen the attachment of -dottir as one way of doing it, but
  > is that correct for that early time period?  If
  > not, what is the proper way to form the byname?

  I've never heard of <Nerienda>.  Can you tell us what her documentation for
  the name is?  Depending on that, it may affect what can and can't be done
  with the name as a whole to insure it is registerable for the submitter.

  Regarding <Alric>, here's what I can find quickly:

  >From an Atlantia LoI in 2005:

  Reaney and Wilson (Dictionary of English Surnames, s.n. Aldrich) cite <{AE}
  lric>, <Alric>, <Alrich> and <Elric> from 1066 and <Amicia Alric> from 1346.

  The {} and < > are my additions - since the formatting is lost when pasting
  into email.

  The 1066 cites may be Latin or Old English.  I'm not sure.  Which they are
  will affect the form of the byname.  If they are Latin, then the form you
  would need is <filia [form of Alric in genitive case]>.  If they are Old
  English, then you need something like <[Alric in genitive case] dohtor>.

  Regardless, I'd recommend the submitter allow minor changes when she submits
  since it's not unusual to need minor spelling changes to fix grammar in Old
  English and Latin.

  Regarding what forms of <Alric> are appropriate for Old English versus Latin,
  I can check Tengvik when I get home.  Searle (which is online at googlebooks)
  might be helpful, it depend on what the entry has.

  I'll take a closer look at this when I'm off the clock.  :)  If you can post
  the docs for her given name, that would help.


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