[ANSTHRLD] small apology

[Cisco Cividanes]

Danet

I misread one of your sentences. Rather than "its the best you can do" I
flipped letters and saw "is that the best you can do", which probably
attributed, in part,  to how I saw the temperament of your missives.

The mistake was mine, and I apologize for my error.

Ivo



On Jan 24, 2008 12:14 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. I know of at least one landed couple who did research into their
> > history, and while I can not say that their whole ceremony was
> > period per say,
>
> ("Per se".)
>
> I would bet that the ENTIRE ceremony wasn't period, even when you
> leave aside the issue of modern English versus whatever languages the
> originals were in.
>
> For example, period oaths had a great deal of calling upon God -- that
> was the *purpose* of an oath, to call upon God to help you keep it and
> to punish you if not.  But involving God in an official ceremony gets
> problematic very fast in the SCA.
>
> For another, a period receipt of a fief was for life (barring a legal
> case or later mutual agreement to change it).  Cue Hossein's answer to
> "What's the Arabic title for someone who has reigned once and stepped
> down?": "'The Late', or if he's lucky, 'the Blinded and Castrated'."
>
> > I know for a fact that a number of elements they included in it were
> > absolutely documentable and accurate.
>
> It's the best you can do.  You have to balance period practice, modern
> sensibilities, and modern practicalities.
>
> > 2. If I am a herald and someone comes up to me and says "I am being
> > invested as Baron of [Insert group name here], and I want to do the
> > ceremony like Baron [Insert super-cool SCA baron's name here] did
> > when he was invested", then I have only thoughts: a. my opinion of
> > historical vs SCA traditions don't mean squat, a future noble just
> > told me the terms of my employment as his herald.
>
> Uh, no, that's not at all true.  You're not their slave and you may
> have valuable insights and suggestions.  You are perfectly free to
> say, for example, "I've talked to their herald and he has some
> thoughts about what worked and what didn't.  He also has some period
> bits that his baron and baroness didn't go for, but I wanted to
> mention them to you in case you thought they were cool.  I do want to
> advocate hewing closer to period models."  Or, even, in the limit,
> "I'm sorry that I'm not able to help with this".  (Unless you're the
> baronial heraldic officer and they don't want to get another herald to
> do it, in which case BOHICA, or you have to decide whether it's
> atrocious enough to be worth resigning over.)
>
> Danet de Lyncoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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