[ANSTHRLD] Baronial investiture ceremonies

[Darin Herndon]

OK.  I hit send on this last night and it never went through.  The change of email address format at work caught this and I am sure it is queued up in some admin's mailbox (or simply deleted) as a post from someone who is not a member of the list.

After reading the thread, I'm leaving what I wrote below intact though some has already been covered.  Crandall already noted that the previous B&B need to be released and my response below was focused strictly on the incoming process.  Points 4 and 5 sound redundant and that is my fault.  They should have come across as "do these two things and then declare loudly what you have done if you didn't do them in a publicly audible manner in the first place."

Serena beat me to the "you don't have to read the document" argument and was much more passionate than I.  It has become traditional but is still not really a requirement.

I was surprised that no one caught and mentioned the baronial service order issue.  That is a requirement in this kingdom.

Anyway, hopefully this goes through now.  ;-)

Etienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Darin Herndon
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:37 PM
To: 'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'
Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Baronial investiture ceremonies

I was not able to find any when I was asked to help with investitures.  I did research on period ceremonies I could find, got a copy of one done about a year earlier, and tried to get what the new B&B and Crown wanted incorporated.  I wrote two that were fully scripted but basically did the same things.  Main difference was how many courts were held.  One had separate courts for the stepping down and stepping up and the other fully integrated both into one court.

At a bare minimum,
1) The Crown needs to ask if they accept this duty and they need to accept it.
2) They need to swear fealty.
3) They get "invested" with at least one item symbolizing the estate entrusted to them (usually the coronets but more can be done).
4) They need to be invested and declared as the principals of the baronial service order.
5) They are officially declared in court as the new B&B and principals of the service order.

Like all awards, peerages, etc., in Ansteorra it is traditional to read the charter or achievement text (charter for almost everything and there is no achievement text for landed B&Bs since it is a temporary title).  But, "reading the text into law", while traditional in Ansteorra, is not actually a requirement.

If the Crown says, "you are a Companion to the Order of the Star of Merit", then you are.  The charter is the kind of document or certificate that could be published to let others know it had been done or could be read in the town square.  It is a legal record of what was done but you don't have to read it to make it happen.  But, in Ansteorra, it has come to be viewed like a requirement so, in a traditional Ansteorran ceremony, reading the charter would likely get included.

Etienne

----- Original Message ----
From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
To: heralds at ansteorra.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:21:22 AM
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Baronial investiture ceremonies

I got asked last night -- does Ansteorra have any set or prepared
baronial investiture ceremonies?  Is there a Bigge Booke of
Cerymonies?  I believe the answer is "no" all around, but I thought I
should be sure.

What needs to be in a ceremony?
- Reading of the charter
- Doing homage and swearing fealty
Anything else?

Denyel de Lyncoln
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Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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