[ANSTHRLD] Baronial investiture ceremonies

Jay Rudin rudin at ev1.net
Fri Jan 25 05:29:47 PST 2008


Daniel de Lincoln wrote:

> Summary: it used to be considered automatic and it-goes-without-saying
> that an incoming baron and baroness got the baronial service order at
> their investiture.  At least one Board ruling was cited that an award
> has to be announced in public.

It was always announced just as publicly as the Grant with a White Scarf or 
the AoA with a baronial service Order.  Which is to say, if it's automatic 
with something else, then it doesn't need to be spoken.

> (I did mention that I dislike awards with qualifications being given
> automatically, but nobody asked me.)

I mentioned that to the Crown (King Lloyd and Queen Joselyn, in 1979). 
They said that the qualifications for having the baronial service order 
were less than, and a subset of, the qualifications for being B&B.  It's 
not automatic; the Crown considered them for it.

>> It's in the BSO constitutions, at least the ones that exist and were
>> actually run by the Crown, which requirement IS in Corpora.
>
> The same Corpora that says that baronies can't give armigerous awards
> ... yes, yes, they run it by the king and queen first, but does a king
> and queen ever say "no"?

It's very rare, but yes, it has happened that the Crown refused to allow a 
baron and baroness to give the baronial service order.  Specifically, to 
avoid all this nonsense, I wanted to give Oaks to Thorkell and Kalida right 
befoe they stepped up, and the Crown said, "no", because what was the 
point?  They'd have it automatically in a few minutes anyway.

Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin 




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