[ANSTHRLD] SCA Armory for Bestowed Peerages

Darin Herndon darin.herndon at chk.com
Sat Jul 12 01:16:34 PDT 2008

Tostig's research just reminded me of a reason that registration of peerage elements should not be allowed.  (Thanks, Tostig).

Once registered, any item is grandfathered to the registrant and supercedes any rule changes, etc.  But, a peerage can be resigned or stripped by action of the BoD.  How would we administratively handle the removal of a peerage element (a laurel wreath or knight's chain for example) from registered arms if the registrant is no longer entitled.  Unless the registrant submits a device change (which they would have to pay for and likely would not), there is no process to involuntarily modify the registered armory.  For this reason alone, I think the registration of peerage elements as a component in arms (not achievements, which are tracked in this kingdom but not touched in most) should be disallowed completely.

Of course, the above argument could also logically apply to coronets or crowns which titles could also be resigned or stripped but that is not the topic being covered right now.

Group thoughts?

From: heralds-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [heralds-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Bob Wade [logiosophia at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:19 PM
To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,  Inc.; sarapenrose at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] SCA Armory for Bestowed Peerages

Sorry, posted too quickly.

There have been no registrations of armory with "white belts" or "white baldrics" either (Thanks, Etienne).


--- On Fri, 7/11/08, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] SCA Armory for Bestowed Peerages
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>, sarapenrose at yahoo.com
Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 7:09 PM

According to the Blazon Pattern Search Form:

There have been 13 registrations for Armory with either "an orle of
chain" or "an annulet of chain" since the Regalia was registered
by Laurel in 1998.  Those who have are noted in the LoAR as being a KSCA .
There were 16 registrations before then with no such notations in the LoAR.

There have been no registration for armory with a "Chapeau",
"Pelican vulning itself" or "A pelican in its piety" at all
(unless it's in the most recent LoAR which brought up the question in the
first place).  In fact, the only 2 Pelicans on registered Armory are from the


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