[ANSTHRLD] conflict check double check

Teceangl tierna.britt at gmail.com
Tue Mar 25 15:46:10 PDT 2008


Hedwig is investigating the proposal:

>  > Per bend sinister vert and sable, a wolf salient  within a
>  > bourdure embattled argent.
>  >
>  > *versus:*
>  >
>  >  William Hethefelde - April of 2004 (via Caid): Per pale sable and vert,
>  >  an armored wolf statant contourny ululant within a bordure embattled argent.
>  >
>  >  This was the only possible conflict I found.  Or, is there a CD for
>  > statant and salient?

And Emma replied:

>  There is indeed a CD between salient/rampant and statant/passant. There's
>  another CD, as it happens, for reversing the direction of the wolf.

Apologies for the contradiction, but there is not. X.4.h. gives a CD
for change of posture or orientation but if both exist they're still
but one CD. This is the relevant sentence from within the rule text:
"Multiple changes to the posture or orientation of the same charges
may not be counted separately, so a lion passant bendwise is one clear
difference from a lion couchant to sinister."

And now, back to Hedwig - You can find what postures are different in
Laurel precedents. Most have a category for Posture and Orinetation,
and many have that broken down into subcategories including Animate
Charges. Precedents are compiled at
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/precedents.html
Mind you, posture difference is sometimes a complex study, but it's
well worth digging through the precedents because you come out armed
with a lot of alternate terms for the same posture
(rampant/salient/clymant) and know what doesn't get difference
(statant/passant/courant, for instance) and what does (sejant versus
anything else, as an example) and other heralds look at you and ooh
and ahh when you do a conflict check because you know so very much. :)
(That said, there is never anything wrong with asking. It's useful for
needing to know quick or when the plethora of words in Laurel rulings
makes your head swim.)

You don't need a fish, dear. Here's your rod, reel, hook, bait and
copy of The Compleat Angler. Have fun.

- Teceangl
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