[ANSTHRLD] trumpets vs Devices

[Cisco Cividanes]

Okay. I'm pretty sure I already knew most of that... however, now I
can cite sources. Thats excellent work, thank you.

Okay, let me see if I have this down. Suppose someone hires me to
herald them for a crown tournament, I guess if I want to do it right,
I should go ahead and make a full tabard with their arms on it, right?

Ivo.

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Steve Rourke <steverourke at charter.net> wrote:
> >From back in December
>
>  Domhnall
>  Tressure Herald
>
>  Shortly after having started the conversation about tabards my computer
>  decided it needed to die and it took me till now to resolve the problems. I
>  would like to thank everyone who participated in the discussion. Below I
>  have consolidated comments made both Master Robin and Master Daniel so that
>  I can make sure that it is correct reguarding the proper design and usage of
>  the group heralds tabard. If anything needs to be added or corrected please
>  speak up.
>
>  Domhnall
>  Tressure
>
>  The arms can be worn only by the ruling nobles or the herald when acting as
>  the herald -- never by the seneschal.  (Yes, a shire has ruling nobles --
>  they are the King and the Queen.)  The seneschal is the legal representative
>  of the branch, not its voice.  A seneschal wearing the arms of the branch is
>  like a lawyer pretending to be his client.  It can
>  also be displayed at a shire event or encampment in a central location that
>  indicates the branch, rather than any individual members of it.
>
>  The correct herald's tabard is the actual arms of the branch, unchanged.  A
>  herald should wear the arms of the branch when he is acting in an official
>  heraldic capacity for the branch.  That may be while doing voice heraldry
>  for the branch, but it might be for a trumpeter, or for those who "process
>  with the other heralds on ceremonial occasions". It's an SCA custom (though
>  not period) that tabards might also bear the crossed-trumpets badge front,
>  back, and both sleeves -- they can be useful as "generics".
>
>  Literally, to wear quartered arms of the territorial noble and the heralds'
>  badge is to say that you are the rightful heir and current holder of all
>  lands, titles, ranks, privilages, etc. (or herald of the rightful heir and
>  current holder) of those lands and the College of Arms itself.  As if your
>  baron had married the Laurel Queen of Arms and the barony and the College of
>  Arms were inherited by you.  They are, by their very meaning, a legal
>  affront to the Laws of Arms.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Heralds mailing list
>  Heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
>  http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/heralds-ansteorra.org
>



-- 
Lord Ivo Blackhawk
Province of Mooneschadowe
Kingdom of Ansteorra
"God Save the King!"

Herald at Large blog:
http://northernherald.blogspot.com

Blackfeather News Podcast:
http://www.blackfeathernews.hailmog.org