[ANSTHRLD] Fwd: GW Heralds' Point

[kevinkeary at aol.com]

A couple in my barony are considering bringing armory submissions to Gulf in hopes of an accelerated submission path, if we can resolve any problems before they leave.
The arms they are proposing are in the links below. I have included the advice I gave them. Please correct me where I am wrong, and any help with the conflict checks would be appreciated.
Kevin,
Northkeep herald

This is what I told them:
Yours (I presume) will not fly -- the rule it violates is 'appearance of marshalling'. It looks like two simple arms 'impaled', as was occasionally done if a husband claimed the arms his wife inherited or if their son inherited both. There are things you can do to make it work, like using a complex line of division, making the line between the two halves embattled or dovetailed or dancetty or something. I will try to do a conflict check on it to see if it's clear that way. It's nice simple heraldry, so if we can get past the marshalling issue I really like it. The blazon is "Per pale argent?and sable, three tankards in pale sable and a mallet argent". You could also rotate the design 90 degrees, making the division 'per fess' instead of 'per pale', and that would clear the problem, since that sort of division was never used for marshalling.

Tega's is also questionable on grounds of appearance of marshalling, but less so than if she had the heart or clover in both quarters -- quartered arms with diagonal quarters identical was ALSO used for marshalling two arms together. This would have to be a case of THREE coats marshalled together, however, and is less of a problem. But there may be a rule that says quartered arms have to have the same charges in all four quarters to absolutely quash this appearance. I half remember that, but I may be wrong. Once again, making one of the lines of division complex would sidestep the issue. Her blazon is "Quarterly Or and barry sable and Or, in bend a four-leaf clover and a heart sable". You really need to move the horizontal line of division down so there's about the same number of stripes in the upper right and lower left quarters, or you'll be gigged for 'not period style'. Again, I'll try to do a conflict check on it.


-----Proposed Devices-----
http://members.cox.net/blackdragonmorgan/MogoDevice.jpg
http://members.cox.net/blackdragonmorgan/TegaDevice.jpg