[ANSTHRLD] Fwd: GW Heralds' Point

[Jennifer Smith]

GW is good for having a large number of decent heralds all eyeballing your
stuff, and helping to find a workable solution. It will not, however, be any
'faster' of a submissions path -- aside from very probably catching stuff
that won't work at all (like the two armory submissions you mention).

You're correct on both of them -- they both have the appearance of
marshalling, unfortunately.

-Emma

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> kevinkeary at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:17 PM
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> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Fwd: GW Heralds' Point
> 
> A couple in my barony are considering bringing armory 
> submissions to Gulf in hopes of an accelerated submission 
> path, if we can resolve any problems before they leave.
> The arms they are proposing are in the links below. I have 
> included the advice I gave them. Please correct me where I am 
> wrong, and any help with the conflict checks would be appreciated.
> Kevin,
> Northkeep herald
> 
> This is what I told them:
> Yours (I presume) will not fly -- the rule it violates is 
> 'appearance of marshalling'. It looks like two simple arms 
> 'impaled', as was occasionally done if a husband claimed the 
> arms his wife inherited or if their son inherited both. There 
> are things you can do to make it work, like using a complex 
> line of division, making the line between the two halves 
> embattled or dovetailed or dancetty or something. I will try 
> to do a conflict check on it to see if it's clear that way. 
> It's nice simple heraldry, so if we can get past the 
> marshalling issue I really like it. The blazon is "Per pale 
> argent?and sable, three tankards in pale sable and a mallet 
> argent". You could also rotate the design 90 degrees, making 
> the division 'per fess' instead of 'per pale', and that would 
> clear the problem, since that sort of division was never used 
> for marshalling.
> 
> Tega's is also questionable on grounds of appearance of 
> marshalling, but less so than if she had the heart or clover 
> in both quarters -- quartered arms with diagonal quarters 
> identical was ALSO used for marshalling two arms together. 
> This would have to be a case of THREE coats marshalled 
> together, however, and is less of a problem. But there may be 
> a rule that says quartered arms have to have the same charges 
> in all four quarters to absolutely quash this appearance. I 
> half remember that, but I may be wrong. Once again, making 
> one of the lines of division complex would sidestep the 
> issue. Her blazon is "Quarterly Or and barry sable and Or, in 
> bend a four-leaf clover and a heart sable". You really need 
> to move the horizontal line of division down so there's about 
> the same number of stripes in the upper right and lower left 
> quarters, or you'll be gigged for 'not period style'. Again, 
> I'll try to do a conflict check on it.
> 
> 
> -----Proposed Devices-----
> http://members.cox.net/blackdragonmorgan/MogoDevice.jpg
> http://members.cox.net/blackdragonmorgan/TegaDevice.jpg
> 
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