[ANSTHRLD] conflict check double check

Tim McDaniel tmcd at panix.com
Tue Mar 25 11:11:40 PDT 2008


On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com> wrote:
> Hedwig wrote:
>> Per bend sinister vert and sable, a wolf salient  within a
>> bourdure embattled argent.
>>
>> *versus:*
>>
>> The bordure is being added to attempt and clear these conflicts:
>>
>> Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf registered June 1972:
>>
>> "Gules, ermined argent, a wolf rampant argent"
>
> There's one CD for the field, and another CD for the ermine spots, I
> believe, so you probably don't need to add the bordure to clear this
> one.

RfS X.4.a.ii.c has the general principle (see the Glossary of Terms
for the general statement):

     The ermine furs and their variants are considered to be different
     tinctures, so Per bend ermine and azure is completely different
     from Per bend erminois and gules and from Per bend argent ermined
     gules and sable. The addition of a field treatment is also a
     change of tincture, so Per fess argent and gules is completely
     different from Per fess argent masoned gules and sable.
     <http://sca.org/heraldry/laurel/rfs.html#10.4>

     Tincture.
     One of the seven standard hues used in Society armory, or a
     fur. The tinctures are the colors azure, gules, purpure, sable,
     and vert and the metals argent and Or. Furs include the ermined
     furs and vair, potent, scaly, papelonny, and their variations. See
     also Color, Ermined Tinctures, Fur, Metal.
     <http://sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html>

So one CD for tincture change of "gules ermined argent" to "per bend
whatever" -- RfS X.4.a says that all the changes to the field get only
one CD at most if there's a primary charge.  A second CD is indeed
needed to clear conflict.

> Caid, Kingdom of, registered July 2007:
> Azure, a greyhound rampant regardant collared within a bordure embattled
> argent.
>
> One CD for the field, possibly one for the difference between a greyhound
> and a wolf, but also possibly not

"Canines is canines (and a fox is deemed a canine, taxonomy be
damned)" is as long-standing a principle as "felines is felines" and
"architecture is architectures" and "stabby blades is stabby blades".

Danihel de Lindo
-- 
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com



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