[ANSTHRLD] Table at warlord

Angela Scott silvrbnd at yahoo.com
Thu May 15 19:50:15 PDT 2008


Would it be a problem for me to bring y groups submissions to the table so sombody can look over them and make sure I got everything I need
   
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Submission question (Jennifer Smith)
2. Heraldic Decision Meeting (Jennifer Smith)
3. Re: Halberd Default Question (Teceangl)
4. Re: Device (Teceangl)
5. Re: Submission question ( Alasdair MacEogan )
6. Re: Submission question (Alden Drake)
7. Re: Heraldic Decision Meeting... Warlord (TinyGypsyLady)
8. Received Achievement Submissions (Alisone McCay)
9. Re: Heraldic Decision Meeting... Warlord (Mike C. Baker)
10. Re: Device (Russell S)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:03:15 -0500
From: "Jennifer Smith" 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Submission question
To: "'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"

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> The submitter write a check to the local branch (amount is $8 
> per item btw. Some have not gotten the word ;-)). The local 
> group will then write a check for $7 per item made out to SCA 
> Inc. - Kingdom of Ansteorra CoH. (Hmm. I always thought it 
> it was just SCA Inc. - Kingdom of Ansteorra)

It is indeed just "SCA Inc - Kingdom of Ansteorra". I don't know how that
"CoH" got stuck on there, but it's wrong. The bank will likely cash it
anyway, but just in case....

Since the checks actually get sent to Asterisk, when she forwards them to
the kingdom exchequer for depositing it's fairly obvious at that point that
they should get credited to the CoH subaccount. I did explicit check
tracking on my end anyway when I was Asterisk, and I believe the current one
does as well.

-Emma, Bordure



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:15:07 -0500
From: "Jennifer Smith" 
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Heraldic Decision Meeting
To: "'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"

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Greetings!

The heraldic decision meeting for this month will be held at Steppes Warlord
on Saturday, May 24, around 3pm. Baroness Druinne has graciously agreed to
run the meeting for me, as I'll be unable to attend, so you'll have to track
her down and bug her for more specifics on that day. Not before!

This meeting will be on the items on ILoI 2008-03. Commentary can be read
ahead of time at hcs.randomcasts.com. (We've really got to get a better name
for that... Best I've heard is Daniel's "Heraldic Internal Commentary
System, or HICkS", which, um, yeah.)

Anyone can attend, of course!

-Emma, Bordure



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:51:27 -0700
From: Teceangl 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Halberd Default Question
To: wolfgangvonsachsenhausen at yahoo.com, "Heralds List, Kingdom of
Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
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> I am working on a Device Submission that contains "2 Halberds in saltire" as the Primary Charge. I understand the "business ends" of the Halberds would default to the chief, but would default also include both the axes (main blades) out and towards the base? Also is there a default tincture for the Halberd? I am assuming wood pole with Argent hardware? I wish to keep the Blazon as brief as possible.

Tostig is correct, there is no default tincture. However, a halbert
hafted proper would have a brown wooden handle (I think that's found
under Wood in that Table, perhaps it's in Laurel precedent). So if a
steel blade and wooden handle is intended, 'argent hafted proper'
should be your blazon.

A halberd defaults to head to chief and business edge to dexter. I
think that in saltire the cutting edges will face away from one
another by default. So yes, you think correctly as to their
orientation in that arrangement.

- Teceangl
-- 
Heraldry is designed to be easily reproduced by anyone who sees the arms. -
http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/clichelist.html


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:58:33 -0700
From: Teceangl 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Bob Wade wrote:
> Ulrich,
>
> Unfortunately, changing from "Azure, a wolf rampant, a chief embattled Or" to "Azure, a wolf rampant within a bordure embattled Or" does not resolve the cited conflict.
>
> Here's the argument from the ICC (Teceangl's correcttion of the RfS quote I used is correct):
>
> Tostig
> [Device] Concur with the (ultimate) reblazon "Azure, a wolf rampant, a chief embattled Or."
> Consider versus "Azure, a wolf salient and a base engrailed Or." (Rognvaldr Byrgishera?ingr, Nov 99, Device). I see 1 CD for changing from "a chief embattled" to "a base engrailed"
> per RfS X4b ("... Changing from a pale wavy to a fess embattled is also one change of type, not a change of type plus a change of edge partition.), but not for a change of posture between "rampant" and "salient".
> Teceangl
> [Device] The conflict call against Rognvaldr Byrgishera?ingr is solid, there is only the one CD by X.4.e.

What Tostig said. I'm flattered that my analysis was of use.

That's a correct blazon, by the way, Ulrich.

You need another CD since you have one already. You might consider
powdering the field (you know, like powdered sugar on toast) with
charges such as crosses crosslet or mullets or billets, all three of
which were commonly used in period for that purpose. That would create
a second CD under RfS X.4.b. for adding a charge group to the field.
Another good and period change that would add a CD is making the
bordure semy of roundels (the most popular charge on bordures in
period, period) or crosses, mullets, or any other simple charge that
you like, preferably azure to reflect the field tincture. Adding a
group of charges on a bordure (or any other charge on the field) is a
CD by RfS X.4.i. It's also exceedingly period so your wonderful style
wouldn't be ruined.

- Teceangl
-- 
Heraldry is designed to be easily reproduced by anyone who sees the arms. -
http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/clichelist.html


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:38:19 -0500
From: " Alasdair MacEogan " 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Submission question
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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Jennifer Smith 

> It is indeed just "SCA Inc - Kingdom of Ansteorra". I don't know how that
> "CoH" got stuck on there, but it's wrong. The bank will likely cash it
> anyway, but just in case....

Great. That is what I thought. The website has been corrected. I went to verify if the Gazette was rigth or not and it seems that I can't find this tid bit anywhere in there so it appears to NOT be wrong. ;-)

Alasdair


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:40:08 -0500
From: Alden Drake 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Submission question
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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Checks made out to "SCA, Inc., Kingdom of Ansteorra" are fine.

The CoH does not have it's own bank account, but instead has dedicated 
funds maintained by the Kingdom Exchequer.

Alden


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: TinyGypsyLady 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Heraldic Decision Meeting... Warlord
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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Please keep in mind I still need some helping hands at the consultant table as well.

Right now our hours are 11 to 2pm on Saturday, which gives us all time to go to the Decision meeting if we want. We will also have hours on Sunday from whenever Sunday court is finished to about 1pm. I know these are early hours, however I hoped if we broke it up over two days, it gives us time to watch things, play, whatever.

I have one definite and one maybe. I would appreciate more help. As some of you know, I am also currently Steppes Herald so that makes me Herald in charge as well as Deputy to my boss, Alric. So I have courts to run, etc.

Thanks so much!

Viviana




YIS,

Viviana Rowntree
Oakenwald Pursuivant

Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile!!






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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:19:59 -0500
From: "Alisone McCay" 
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Received Achievement Submissions
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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Following Asterisks lead, Stellar Scroll has received submissions from
Rosenfeld and Gate's Edge. Thank you and keep them coming please.

Alisone
-- 
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog, its too dark
too read."
---Anita Blake vampire series


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:21:06 -0500
From: "Mike C. Baker" 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Heraldic Decision Meeting... Warlord
To: "'Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"

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> Please keep in mind I still need some helping hands at the 
> consultant table as well.
> 
> Right now our hours are 11 to 2pm on Saturday, which gives 
> us all time to go to the Decision meeting if we want. We 
> will also have hours on Sunday from whenever Sunday court is 
> finished to about 1pm. I know these are early hours, however 
> I hoped if we broke it up over two days, it gives us time to 
> watch things, play, whatever.
> 
> I have one definite and one maybe. I would appreciate more 
> help. As some of you know, I am also currently Steppes 
> Herald so that makes me Herald in charge as well as Deputy to 
> my boss, Alric. So I have courts to run, etc.
> 
> Thanks so much!
> Viviana

Following experiences after Springfair (I do NOT like the sensation of
gravel in my eye sockets...), as long as I am physically AT Warlord,
count on me to assist with the consultation table. Have laptop with
various materials loaded (Bardsley, Borek's Heraldic Art, etc.), will
travel.

And, yes, it is more and more likely that I will physically be at
Warlord. (Even if I get a job offer tomorrow, I would push to make my
report date enough after Warlord that I'll still be HERE and actually
get a vacation on the front end of things...)

Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe

Mike C. Baker
SCA: (al-Sayyid) Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra, F.O.B, OSCA
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em
alt. e-mail: KiheBard at hotmail.com OR MikeCBaker at verizon.net
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Russell S 
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."

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Thank you very much for your advice and counsel.....So how would I blazon it with bordure semy of roundels?

Teceangl wrote: 
What Tostig said. I'm flattered that my analysis was of use.

That's a correct blazon, by the way, Ulrich.

You need another CD since you have one already. You might consider
powdering the field (you know, like powdered sugar on toast) with
charges such as crosses crosslet or mullets or billets, all three of
which were commonly used in period for that purpose. That would create
a second CD under RfS X.4.b. for adding a charge group to the field.
Another good and period change that would add a CD is making the
bordure semy of roundels (the most popular charge on bordures in
period, period) or crosses, mullets, or any other simple charge that
you like, preferably azure to reflect the field tincture. Adding a
group of charges on a bordure (or any other charge on the field) is a
CD by RfS X.4.i. It's also exceedingly period so your wonderful style
wouldn't be ruined.

- Teceangl
-- 
Heraldry is designed to be easily reproduced by anyone who sees the arms. -
http://www.s-gabriel.org/docs/clichelist.html
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