[ANSTHRLD] clear or not?

[Ron]

Technically the answer is yes, except for RfS X.5. which requires the new
piece of armory to pass a visual test with any registered piece of armory. 

"5. Visual Test. - If the tinctures, shapes, or arrangement of the charges
in a submission create an overwhelming visual resemblance to a piece of
protected armory, the submission may be held to conflict even if sufficient
theoretical difference can be counted between them.

A piece of armory is registered and protected, not the verbal description
used to record that armory. The use of different terminology to describe two
designs that are visually similar does not affect any potential for conflict
that may exist. Thus, Or, a fess vert is not different from Vert, a chief
and a base Or even though one could theoretically count sufficient
difference between them from these blazons. Unusual cases may occur where
contrast is weak and unusual arrangements of charges are employed, and in
such circumstances the cumulative similarities between two pieces of armory
may outweigh any specific differences. As an example, the cumulative effect
of the similarities between Vert, ermined Or, on a mullet argent a lion
rampant azure within a bordure embattled ermine and Vert, ermined Or, on an
estoile argent a lion rampant azure within a bordure embattled erminois
creates a strong possibility of confusion."

Eirik Halfdanarson


> -----Original Message-----
> From: heralds-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:heralds-
> bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of kevinkeary at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:04 AM
> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] clear or not?
> 
> Are you saying that in any fairly simple armory with a field parted in
> two equal parts and all charges counterchanged, reversing the tinctures
> automatically produces (at least) TWO CDs? That just feels wrong
> somehow. Whether it follows the LETTER of the rules or not, it seems to
> violate the concepts behind the rules.
> 
> ('At least' because you could be changing the tinctures of primary,
> secondary and tertiary charges).
> 
> And dyslexics would see no differences at all...
> (I know, gules and vert are the same to most colorblind people, too.)
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teceangl <tierna.britt at gmail.com>
> To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:59 am
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] clear or not?
> 
> 
> 
> > Consider:
> > Per pale azure and argent a chevron rompu counter charged.
> >
> > vs
> > Johann von Traubenberg
> >
> >   - The following device associated with this name was registered in
> >   November of 1990 (via the East):
> >   *Per pale argent and azure, a chevron rompu and in base a bunch of
> grapes
> >   counterchanged.*
> >
> > So I am thinking 1 CD for the reversal of color on the field (or is
> that not
> > enough of a difference?) and 1 CD for the grapes.
> 
> Not quite.
> 
> You weren't looking at the RfS when you checked this, or you'd not
> have needed to ask.  Tch...  The right tools for the job and all that.
>  Load them up and follow along:
> http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs.html
> 
> X.4.a. gives you a CD for reversing the tinctures of the field.
> X.4.b. gives you a CD for adding a secondary charge group. (My
> knee-jerk reaction has me thinking 'what about the grapes? Are you
> getting a CD for flavor, aroma, excellent art?' - no offense intended,
> please, but codify WHAT the CD comes from, it makes it much easier to
> keep CDs straight and accurately count difference.)
> X.4.d. gives you a CD for reversing the tinctures of the chevron.
> 
> So three CDs. :)
> 
> -Teceangl
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