[ANSTHRLD] Blazon help.

Bob Wade logiosophia at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 26 14:32:23 PDT 2009


Responded to privately with a cc: to Bordure due to Pending Status from the last Decision Meeting.

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Blazon help.
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 4:05 PM


I'm willing to bet that very few people at Laurel are botanists. So,
what type of documentation (if any) should I scrape up for this?

Ivo

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Bob Wade<logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Vert, a cross between four dogwood flowers (Cornus sanguinea) and a chief
> argent."
>
> Tostig
>
> --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Blazon help.
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:42 PM
>
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I wanted to thank everyone who answered my questions about the dogwood
> flower a few weeks ago. I'm sorry I didn't get back to this before,
> but life has not given me a lot of what you want to call extra time.
>
> So, if I read the comments and e-mail properly, my submitted badge
> (Top of page 7, May issue of the Ansteorran Gazette) the image should
> be able to pass fine, but the blazon itself needs to be reworded so
> that it doesn't conflict with the previously established default of an
> American dogwood.
>
> Link to gazette: http://herald.ansteorra.org/gazette/200905AG.pdf
>
> Blazon: Vert, a cross throughout between four dogwood flowers and a chief
> argent
>
> A "dogwood", as most Americans would identify it looks like this.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMG_1527Dogwood.jpg
> The Latin name, Cornus florida, kind of tells the tale in terms of
> what continent it came from.
>
> If you had said "dogwood" to King Henry V of England, he would likely
> have identified this flowering tree (or bush, depending on how you
> define the term).
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cornus_sanguinea_jfg.jpg
> Latin name: Cornus sanguinea
>
> The Wikipedia article cited two historical alternate names for the
> dogwood, "Dagwood", and "Whipple-tree" and gives citations for both. I
> couldn't look up the first (Vedel, H., & Lange, J. (1960). Trees and
> Bushes in Wood and Hedgerow. Metheun & Co. Ltd., London.), but the
> second is the Canterbury tales, which evidently call the dogwood tree
> a "whipple-tree". I looked that up a while ago, and I seem to remember
> finding that the reference checks out.   I don't know if any of that
> is even remotely useful, but I figured I would throw that out there
> and see what everyone thought.
>
> So... can anyone help me with the blazon so that I am not chancing a
> conflict when this gets to Laurel?
>
> Ivo Blackhawk
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