[ANSTHRLD] Pull the Files - Coronet Arms

[Star Principal Herald]

Interesting.

The form for "Prince" has at top "Principality/Prince of Ansteorra",
and is listed on the August 1978 LoAR under Atenveldt.  Unlike the
OandA, there is no device for Princess listed on that LoAR. On the
"Princess" form it says only "Princess of Ansteorra".

On the July 1979 LoAR, there is an entry:

     Ansteorra, Queen of. Or, a mullet of five greater and five lesser
points sable within
     and interlaced by a chaplet vert of five roses argent, seeded Or,
within a tressure
     sable, overall issuant from base a demi-sun gules.

     Originally submitted as Princess, but Ansteorra is now a kingdom.

Then in May 1980:

     Kingdom of Ansteorra. Or , a mullet of five greater and five
lesser points sable within
     a laurel wreath vert, in chief a crown dancetty, all within a
tressure sable, overall
     issuant from base a demi sun gules.

     Queen of Ansteorra. Or, a mullet of five greater and five lesser
points sable within
     a wreath of six roses sable, barbed, slipped and leaved vert,
each rose charged
     with another Or, seeded sable, barbed vert, in chief a crown
dancetty, all within
     a tressure sable, overall issuant from base a demi sun gules.

(In August 1984 the Kingdom device was changed to remove the setting
sun, but it was put back in December of 1984.)

So I'm guessing that yes, the arms that are now styled for the Crown
Prince/Princess were in fact originally created for the Principality
of Ansteorra, and were carried over for the heirs use later on. I have
no idea how/when the names were adjusted in the OandA.

-Emma, Star


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Darin Herndon<darin.herndon at chk.com> wrote:
> My wife, Lady Rosamund, found a picture with the old Crown Prince arms being used.  That got me thinking and I  started doing a little more research.
>
> First, check out the O and A entries for these "Coronet Arms".  (Pardon the HTML if it posts that way.)
>
>  *   Ansteorra, Crown Prince of<http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_name.cgi?p=Ansteorra%2c%20Crown%20Prince%20of>
>    *   Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in August of 1978<http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1978&m1=August&y2=1978&m2=August&kA=checked&kC=checked&kD=checked&kE=checked&kG=checked&kH=checked&kK=checked&kL=checked&kM=checked&kN=checked&kO=checked&kQ=checked&kR=checked&kS=checked&kT=checked&kW=checked&kX=checked&km=checked&kn=checked&kw=checked>:
> Or<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=Or>, a compass-star<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=compass+star> of ten sable<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable>, interlacing a laurel wreath vert<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=vert> ribboned gules<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=gules>within a tressure<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=tressure> sable<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable>, issuant<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=issuant> from base<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=base> and overall a sun in glory gules<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=gules>.
>  *   Ansteorra, Crown Princess of<http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_name.cgi?p=Ansteorra%2c%20Crown%20Princess%20of>
>    *   Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in August of 1978<http://oanda.sca.org:80/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1978&m1=August&y2=1978&m2=August&kA=checked&kC=checked&kD=checked&kE=checked&kG=checked&kH=checked&kK=checked&kL=checked&kM=checked&kN=checked&kO=checked&kQ=checked&kR=checked&kS=checked&kT=checked&kW=checked&kX=checked&km=checked&kn=checked&kw=checked>:
> Or<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=Or>, a mullet<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=mullet> of five greater and five lesser points<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=point> sable<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable> within and interlaced by a chaplet vert<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=vert> of five roses<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=rose> argent<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=argent>, seeded Or<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=Or>, within a tressure<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=tressure> sable<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=sable>, overall issuant<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=issuant> from base<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=base> a demi-sun gules<http://oanda.sca.org:80/glossary.cgi?p=gules>.
>
> Anyone else catch the dates?  Those were registered before Simonn and Tessa stepped up as 3rd and last Prince and Princess of the Principality of Ansteorra.
>
> Now consider the following link to a photo on the kingdom historian's website.  That sure looks like the "Crown Prince's arms" in a photo attributed to Simonn and Tessa's time as Territorial Prince and Princess.
> http://historian.ansteorra.org/index.php?view=article&catid=38%3Acrowns&id=53%3Asimonn-of-amber-isle-and-tessa-of-the-gardens&option=com_content&Itemid=53
>
> I think these are the arms used by our Territorial Coronets and they got adjusted in some later records updates or registration catch-ups and maybe "mistakenly assigned" as Crown Heirs arms without catching that they actually pre-dated the kingdom.
>
> The forms Emma posted on the list had the tops cut off.  Is it possible to get the headers for those?
>
> Anyone have an email for Simonn or Tessa that can ask?  Maybe there was a deliberate intent to use the Territorial Arms for the Heirs after we became a kingdom?
>
> Etienne
>
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