[ANSTHRLD] Fw: re: FW: conflict check: griffin on delf

[Crandall]

I contacted Timothy, he sends attached permission to conflict. 
I know that this lest strips attachments, please give me an address to send the attachment. 

Thanks, 
Crandall, Olde Phart 


--- On Mon, 6/8/09, tim at timrayburn.net <tim at timrayburn.net> wrote:

> From: tim at timrayburn.net <tim at timrayburn.net>
> Subject: re: FW: [ANSTHRLD] conflict check: griffin on delf
> To: "Richard Threlkeld" <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>, pcrandal at sbcglobal.net
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:31 AM
> A resonable
> device, with sufficient visual difference from mine for my
> taste.  I've attached a signed Letter of Permission
> to Conflict, just fill in her mundane and sca names and you
> should be good to go.
> 
> Tim Rayburn
> aka Lord Timothy of Glastinbury
> Bearing Azure billety argent
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Richard Threlkeld"
> <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:29 PM
> To: "Tim Rayburn"
> <tim at timrayburn.net>
> Subject: FW: [ANSTHRLD] conflict check: griffin on
> delf
> 
> Done.
> 
> Richard Threlkeld, CPA
> Software Innovation
> 
> and 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pcrandal at sbcglobal.net
> [mailto:pcrandal at sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 18:40 PM
> To: Richard Threlkeld
> Subject: Fw: [ANSTHRLD] conflict check: griffin on delf
> 
> 
> 
> Caelin, could you forward this to Timothy to see if he will
> give permission
> to conflict? 
> 
> Crandall 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Coblaith Muimnech wrote:
> 
> > From: Coblaith Muimnech 
> > Subject: [ANSTHRLD] conflict check: griffin on delf
> > To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,
> Inc."
> 
> > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 4:04 PM
> > Antonia wrote:
> > > I have done my own checks, but since I am new, I
> > wanted to double check myself
> > 
> > and later posted this URL:
> > >
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jimcouch/Heraldry?feat=directlink
> > 
> > She offered this description of one proposed device:
> > > Azure with Sable, a delf argent, a Azzure
> Griffon
> > Courant gardant
> > 
> > The griffin is neither courant nor gardant. 
> It's
> > posture would be blazoned "segreant", but
> needn't be because
> > that's the S.C.A. default for griffins
>  .
> > 
> > I'd blazon this: "Azure, on a delf argent a
> griffin
> > azure."
> > 
> > Style note:  In period emblazons, charges were
> > generally drawn to fill the space they occupied. 
> Given
> > that, and given the fact that you've got on it a
> complex
> > charge that you want to be as identifiable as
> possible, I
> > strongly recommend you make the delf significantly
> larger
> > (as large as it can be and still fit on the
> field). 
> > You also need a clearer image of the griffin.  At
> the
> > moment, it takes work to figure out what it is. (And
> that's
> > not how heraldry is supposed to work.) 
> There's a nice
> > 15th-century one from Bavaria you could adapt at
>  ,
> > and a couple of 16th-century English ones at
>  .
> > 
> > 
> > This proposal conflicts with the badge of Timothy of
> > Glastinbury, "Azure, a billet argent." 
> There is one
> > Clear Difference between the two, for the addition of
> a
> > charge group entirely on another charge group (the
> griffin
> > on the delf), so you could still register the
> proposed
> > device if Timothy of Glastinbury issued a letter of
> > permission to conflict
>  . 
> > He was living in Elfsea when he submitted the badge
> for
> > registration; perhaps the Nautilus Pursuivant can help
> you
> > find him and ask.
> > 
> > 
> > Coblaith Muimnech
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> >
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> > 
> 
> 
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