[ANSTHRLD] Consult help

[Bill Butler]

Opps, sorry, just read the message and didn't look at the picture.

William

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Bill Butler <chemistbb3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bill Butler <chemistbb3 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Consult help
> To: " Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA Inc.Heralds List" <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 8:13 PM
> I may be wrong here but the field is
> argent and the semy of fleur de leis is also argent. 
> Doesn't that basicly but white fleur de leis on a white
> background?  
> 
> Did I miss something?
> 
> william
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Brian O'hUilliam <brianoftheloch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Brian O'hUilliam <brianoftheloch at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Consult help
> > To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
> <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:58 PM
> > I would say forget the the grapevine
> > and let him add that as an "artistic
> > rendering" because:
> > 1) I have no idea how you'd blazon that accurately in
> the
> > SCA rules, and
> > 2) The grapevine would puit it over the recommended
> number
> > of items on a
> > device.
> > 
> > My count:
> > Agent (color of field)
> > Bordure (sable)
> > Sable (color of bordure and lion)
> > A semy of fluer-de-lis (argent)
> > Tower (azure)
> > Azure (color of tower)
> > Lion (sable)
> > 
> > That's 7 right there and, as I recall, the College
> draws
> > the l.ines at 7
> > items (tinctures, charges, divisions, etc).
> > 
> > With grapevine that gives you:
> > Grapvine
> > Purpure (color of grapes)
> > Vert (color of vine)
> > 
> > Plus it may get returned for the obvious color on
> color of
> > the green &
> > purple vine on the blue tower.
> > 
> > 
> > Good luck,
> > Brian
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Joe McGrew <oscagne at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd like to ask help on a consultation.
> > >
> > > The client is requesting the name Anton de
> > Latour.  He is also
> > > requesting the following description for a
> device:
> > > "The field is argent. It has a sable bordure with
> an
> > argent  fleur de
> > > lis pattern.  in the center there is a tower
> > azure (the tower has an
> > > open door, and three shaded verticle rectangular
> > windows) on top of
> > > the tower there is a sable lion passant
> guardant.
> > Under the tower
> > > there is a grapevine in its natural colorings
> that
> > extends to both
> > > sides of the tower that don’t quite reach the
> > lion."
> > >
> > > He provided the following sketch:
> > > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/3991430558_08d27e67a5_o.jpg
> > >
> > > I have attempted to blazon it, but would like
> some
> > confirmation: Argent,
> > > on a tower azure charged with a grapevine proper
> a
> > lion passant
> > > guardant sable all within a bordure sable
> semee-de-lis
> > argent.
> > >
> > > I found a Saint Gabriel report that says that
> Anton is
> > the 16th Cen.
> > > German version of Antonius.  I have seen in the
> > surname de le Tour
> > > passed, or the submitter says he can get
> documentation
> > from a history
> > > of the Letour winery as a location in order to
> use "de
> > Letour" as a
> > > descriptive.  Submitter would like the correct
> > name form for 14th Cen.
> > > France, but will use his legal first name
> "Antonio" if
> > a historically
> > > appropriate form won't work for him.
> > >
> > > The St. Gabriel report (1167) also mentions the
> name
> > used in Wales in
> > > the 6thC, but mentions the forms <Antonius>
> or
> > > <Annun>.  Submitter asks if this 6thC
> > mention would be considered
> > > documentation for "Anton".
> > >
> > > Any guidance would be very appreciated.
> > >
> > > Gregor Mac Beathain
> > > Gate's Edge Pursuviant
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