[ANSTHRLD] Consult help

[Bill Butler]

I may be wrong here but the field is argent and the semy of fleur de leis is also argent.  Doesn't that basicly but white fleur de leis on a white background?  

Did I miss something?

william

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Brian O'hUilliam <brianoftheloch at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Brian O'hUilliam <brianoftheloch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Consult help
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:58 PM
> I would say forget the the grapevine
> and let him add that as an "artistic
> rendering" because:
> 1) I have no idea how you'd blazon that accurately in the
> SCA rules, and
> 2) The grapevine would puit it over the recommended number
> of items on a
> device.
> 
> My count:
> Agent (color of field)
> Bordure (sable)
> Sable (color of bordure and lion)
> A semy of fluer-de-lis (argent)
> Tower (azure)
> Azure (color of tower)
> Lion (sable)
> 
> That's 7 right there and, as I recall, the College draws
> the l.ines at 7
> items (tinctures, charges, divisions, etc).
> 
> With grapevine that gives you:
> Grapvine
> Purpure (color of grapes)
> Vert (color of vine)
> 
> Plus it may get returned for the obvious color on color of
> the green &
> purple vine on the blue tower.
> 
> 
> Good luck,
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Joe McGrew <oscagne at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to ask help on a consultation.
> >
> > The client is requesting the name Anton de
> Latour.  He is also
> > requesting the following description for a device:
> > "The field is argent. It has a sable bordure with an
> argent  fleur de
> > lis pattern.  in the center there is a tower
> azure (the tower has an
> > open door, and three shaded verticle rectangular
> windows) on top of
> > the tower there is a sable lion passant guardant.
> Under the tower
> > there is a grapevine in its natural colorings that
> extends to both
> > sides of the tower that don’t quite reach the
> lion."
> >
> > He provided the following sketch:
> > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/3991430558_08d27e67a5_o.jpg
> >
> > I have attempted to blazon it, but would like some
> confirmation: Argent,
> > on a tower azure charged with a grapevine proper a
> lion passant
> > guardant sable all within a bordure sable semee-de-lis
> argent.
> >
> > I found a Saint Gabriel report that says that Anton is
> the 16th Cen.
> > German version of Antonius.  I have seen in the
> surname de le Tour
> > passed, or the submitter says he can get documentation
> from a history
> > of the Letour winery as a location in order to use "de
> Letour" as a
> > descriptive.  Submitter would like the correct
> name form for 14th Cen.
> > France, but will use his legal first name "Antonio" if
> a historically
> > appropriate form won't work for him.
> >
> > The St. Gabriel report (1167) also mentions the name
> used in Wales in
> > the 6thC, but mentions the forms <Antonius> or
> > <Annun>.  Submitter asks if this 6thC
> mention would be considered
> > documentation for "Anton".
> >
> > Any guidance would be very appreciated.
> >
> > Gregor Mac Beathain
> > Gate's Edge Pursuviant
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