[ANSTHRLD] Cockatrices

doug bell magnus77840 at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 4 13:23:47 PDT 2010


Now that I look at the cockatrice there seems little difference
between statant, erect, and sejant postures.  It would be
nice to actually view some emblazons to see if the visual identity
problem is real. 

Magnus

> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:20:45 -0400
> From: kevinkeary at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check
> 
> But note that 'sejant' did NOT give a CD from 'erect', which should be the same as 'statant' (especially since it's drawing a sword with SOMETHING.
> 
> 
> So, Magnus's earlier possible conflict (the device of Robert Peregrine de Marécage) probably IS a conflict.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: doug bell <magnus77840 at hotmail.com>
> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 2:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check
> 
> 
> 
>  correct and excellent observation and it required a letter of permission to 
> onflict 
> etween a lion-dragon and a cockatrice.
> 
>     
>    
>    
>    
> [June 1989 LoAR, A-Caid] Thurstan de Barri. Device. Quarterly vert and argent, a 
> inged lion-dragon 
> ejant to sinister Or. He has permission to conflict with the badge of Brann 
> organ Dunmore of 
> alloway ("A cockatrice erect to sinister Or drawing a sword from a scabbard 
> roper."). 
> his would be improved if the head of the lion did not lie entirely on the 
> rgent portion 
> f the field, making it more difficult to identify. 
> A change in orientation is usually enough for a CD to clear
> he badge with Mooneschadowe.
> I doubt Laurel will overturn such a precedent unless new
> vidence has surfaced that these monsters were not
> onsidered different in period.
> So I concur. It looks clear.
> Magnus
> > 
>  Possible conflcts are:
>  
>  
>     - Mooneschadowe, Shire
>  of<http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Mooneschadowe%2c%20Shire%20of>
>        - The following badge associated with this name was registered in July
>        of 1991 (via
>  Ansteorra)<http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1991&m1=July&y2=1991&m2=July&kX=checked>
>        :
>        (Fieldless <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=fieldless>) A
>  lion<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=lion>-dragon
>        statant contourny
>  <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=contourny>
>  Or<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=Or>
>        .
>  
>             1 CD for fieldless vs Per fess gules/sable.
>             I suspect that Laurel would hold a lion-dragon in conflict with a
>  Cockatrice,
>             and if that is the case, the question becomes whether contourny
>  is enough to clear the conflict.
>  
>  
>         I was able to find the following precedent from Jaelle's tenure as
>  Laurel:
>  
>  
>  **
>  
>  [a *dragon* vs a *cockatrice*] We do not normally give a difference for
>  changing the head only of a beast or monster. However, since they were
>  considered different monsters in period, and since the head is not obscured
>  in any way, we are willing to grant it the necessary CD to make it clear of
>  these possible conflicts. (Wolfger von Lausfenburg, 11/97 p. 10)
>  
>  So - unless Laurel chooses to overturn that precedent, the device should be
>  clear.
>  
>  Hopefully someone will come along behind me and check my work?
>  
>  
>  Yours,
>  
>  
>  Jayme
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