[ANSTHRLD] Lovecock, a cock rising (was: Eldwin's Submission IV)

[Eldwin Nightowl]

Thanks to Tim, Coblaith, Kevin and others for your advice.  I'm sorry I'm not posting all the appropriate comments here, but I've gotten so much helpful advice it would make this very long.  I'll try to write my responses so it's clear what I'm referring to.
 
I'll do more specific subject lines from now on so what I'm talking about will be easily identifiable.
 
I had already advised the submitter that "Lovecock" is likely to get old fast, but I could be wrong.  One of my good SCA friends Paganus Grimlove has had that name for many years, and still likes it. And my old friend Yvon Bater is still "Yvon Bater" ("Even better," get it?  Although the full name is Yvon Bater of Darkwood).  And if Yvon Bater became a master?  He'd be Master Yvon, of course, not Master, er, um....
 
I'll check the sources provided for Lovecock.
 
As for the feet and legs being tucked in on a bird that's rising, I had checked rising at http://museum.worldwidesam.net/reenactment/en/heraldry/postures.htm  It shows rising birds both with legs and feet out and tucked in (volant), but it looks like if it just says rising the feet and legs are out.  But I don't know how accurate that is.
 
As for the submission of a "cock rising" and "Lovecock" getting a rise out of heralds, yes, I know, experienced heralds have seen it all, and probably made up much of it themselves.  Besides, the cant has already been registered in SCA: Artorius Conchobhar: Per bend sinister potenty vert and argent, and gules, a dunghill cock rising, wings addorsed within a bordure wavy Or.  http://dragon_azure.tripod.com/UoA/Canting.html  My understanding is that generally a cock is a dunghill cock by default, but other types of cocks can be specified--but I could certainly be wrong.
 
Thanks again for all your help!
 
Eldwin Nightowl
 


 
 

--- On Wed, 8/4/10, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:


From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Lovecock, a cock rising (was: Eldwin's Submission IV)
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 8:13 AM


A couple of meta-notes.

The main purpose of subject lines is so that recipients can easily
look for messages on a particular topic in their inbox or the
archives.  Something generic like "Armory question" or "Consultation
7" don't provide any information.  A subject line should reflect the
contents.  For a consultation about a particular name and/or proposed
armory, they should be in the subject line.  If you change the subject
because the purpose changed, putting "(was: [old title])" in the
subject line can be a kindness for people trying to follow a thread.

As for getting a "rise" out of the populace, I dunno.  Trying to freak
the heralds in particular is like trying to shock EMTs by inserting an
unlikely object into an improbable orifice.  You won't get the
experienced ones because they've seen worse, and the only one it can
hurt is you.

Jokes can wear thin pretty fast, and not just because the same joke
repeated 10 times is rarely funny.  For example, I recently read a
note from a lady who has the persona of an Italian courtesan.
Emphasis: PERSONA, NOT REAL.  She's had a number of men ask her
"how much?", not as part of persona play or as a joke, but in all
seriousness.  She's had a woman rail at her, lecturing her on how
horrible she is, in front of her son.

Bunny Lovecok or whatever is certainly a good idea for a Feast of
Fools event, or an alternate persona for working the tavern, or a
wayward cousin you can complain about at events but who mercifully
never seems to be present.

As the real everyday persona name: Toyoda used to have an ad campaign
that went "You asked for it, you got it, Toyoda".  We used to refer to
joke names or the like as "The Rule Of Toyoda".  You want it, fine,
take it, YOU live with it.

Oh, and you missed something.  You want multiple hearts and you want
them inverted.  There's an Italian coat of arms with that, canting
arms for the Cullion family (or something spelled like that: see the
etymology at
<http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/cullion>)

Lord Ladyday Gaylord
-- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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