[ANSTHRLD] A cross between two anchors and two compass stars
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Thu Dec 2 16:27:13 PST 2010
Blazoning something as a cross between two different types of charge groups "in saltire" means the same thing as blazoning something as a cross between one type of charge group "in bend" and a second type of charge group "in bend sinister". The resulting emblazon still gives the appearance of marshalling.
For example take the proposed "Quarterly sable and gules, a cross argent between in bend two anchors Or and in bend sinister two compass stars argent." This was a period display for someone who had the birthright estates from "Sable, an anchor Or" and the estates by marriage from "Gules, a compass star argent."
Other period ways to display the same thing would be "Quarterly sable and gules, in bend two anchors Or and in bend sinister two compass stars argent" and "Per pale sable and gules, in fess an anchor Or and a compass star argent."
--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Emily Minier <adalia.nyx at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Emily Minier <adalia.nyx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] A cross between two anchors and two compass stars
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:03 AM
Why not a cross between two compass stars and two anchors in saltire?
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> It's best to keep the blazon during the discussion.
> "Quarterly sable and gules in bend two anchors Or, in bend sinister
> two compass stars and a cross throughout argent."
> Also, the subject line should have some reference to the blazon or the
> name, to distinguish this in the mailing list archives from all the
> other help requests.
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Jillian Birtciel <saintesun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't like including commas in a blazon...just a nitpicky quirk of
>> mine, but without the comma I just couldn't make that blazon read
>> right in my head.
> Tadhg Liath of Duncairn (former Star Principal Herald, long gone from
> the SCA) averred that punctuation in blazons can be as lethal as
> punctuation in legislation, and given his druthers, he would rather
> have eliminated them completely. To go by
> http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Grants.htm , that appears to be the
> practice of the English College of Arms (along with Another Boring
> Persona Story arms).
> Still, it can be occasionally useful to include commas, though it may
> also be an indication of non-period style.
> By convention, the SCA puts a comma after the field, if any. In many
> other cases, a comma can be replaced by "and" or "within" or another
> word. As written, the original blazon's "in bend sinister two compass
> stars and a cross throughout argent" could be read as saying that
> there are three charges in bend sinister (maybe leading to a far
> offset cross, I suppose). I simply assumed that the cross is actually
> in its normal position in the center of the field -- if I'm wrong,
> please tell me, for there would be bigger problems. Since centering
> it would normally make it the primary charge, it would be blazoned
> first. Crosses are throughout by default.
> So I get
> Quarterly sable and gules, a cross argent between in bend two anchors
> Or and in bend sinister two compass stars argent.
> Daniel de Lindicolino
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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