[ANSTHRLD] Acceptable sources and invented names
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Wed Dec 15 19:55:42 PST 2010
The url for Lady Star's quote is http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/admin.html#IV.C.2
It looks like the most helpful you can be is to explain what RfS II.3 means, particularly the caveat of RfS II.3a "Invented name elements may not consist of randomly arranged sounds or characters. Use of components of name elements without reference to a period naming pattern, such as combining the syllables of Ælfgar and Eadmund to form Ælfmunead, will not be allowed ..."
To establish a pattern to construct <Mabry> from your documentable <Mably> as an English female (15th c) given name, she needs to find other female given names that are spelled both X-ly and X-ry. Unfortunately, I haven't found any glossing through various lists on St Gabriels. Hopefully, she and others may have better luck.
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com> wrote:
From: Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Acceptable sources and invented names
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:28 PM
Admin Handbook IV.C.2 reads:
2. Documentation - Documenting evidence must be included for all name
elements, constructions, and patterns, as well as any non-standard
armorial elements or practices. Such documentation must include
references to specific pages and/or entries in the source material.
Citations must be sufficiently complete to allow identification of the
source and its usefulness, which generally includes author, title, and
publication information (for print sources) or URL (for online
sources). Except for documentation from items in Appendix H (the
No-Photocopy List), such documentation must include copies of cited
source material. While the kingdom college and College of Arms may
assist with research and documentation, the submitter bears
responsibility for providing documentation for all submissions.
Note that last sentence. At some point, go ahead and accept it and
send it on up, and let kingdom (or Laurel) be the ones to tell her
"no", if necessary.
I believe <Mabry> might be documentable as a variant of <Mayberry> or
the like, but that would be as a surname, NOT as a given name. If
indeed documentation can be found of it as a surname, you might see if
you can advise her to find another given name she likes and use it; if
she's really stuck on <Gardiner> as a surname, she can likely get away
with a double surname in late-period England.
Grain of salt and all that,
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Amanda Smith <kyrogue at gmail.com> wrote:
> She sent me that one to start with, but I'm wondering where my job to
> research ends and hers should start?
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Crandall <crandalltwo-scalists at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> Searching for the source used on this page:
>> Maybe the genealogist for that site can give you sources.
>> Donald E. Collins
>> 3377 Mill Vista Road, Apt. #3207
>> Highlands Ranch, Colorado 80129
>> dcollins at mabryfamily.org
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