[ANSTHRLD] Acceptable sources and invented names

Joseph Percer jpercer at gmail.com
Wed Dec 15 20:48:04 PST 2010


I'd recommend a dive through the compiled name precedents when you
have some spare time. Particularly
a glance through the 'Coined names' section - it gives a good painting
of when the invented names allowance
can be invoked, and when it cannot.

You can find those precedents here:
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Coined.html

Jayme

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The url for Lady Star's quote is http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/admin.html#IV.C.2
>
> It looks like the most helpful you can be is to explain what RfS II.3 means, particularly the caveat of RfS II.3a "Invented name elements may not consist of randomly arranged sounds or characters.  Use of components of name elements without reference to a period naming pattern, such as combining the syllables of Ælfgar and Eadmund to form Ælfmunead, will not be allowed ..."
>
> To establish a pattern to construct <Mabry> from your documentable <Mably> as an English female (15th c) given name, she needs to find other female given names that are spelled both X-ly and X-ry.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any glossing through various lists on St Gabriels.  Hopefully, she and others may have better luck.
>
> --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Acceptable sources and invented names
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:28 PM
>
>
> Admin Handbook IV.C.2 reads:
>
> 2. Documentation - Documenting evidence must be included for all name
> elements, constructions, and patterns, as well as any non-standard
> armorial elements or practices. Such documentation must include
> references to specific pages and/or entries in the source material.
> Citations must be sufficiently complete to allow identification of the
> source and its usefulness, which generally includes author, title, and
> publication information (for print sources) or URL (for online
> sources). Except for documentation from items in Appendix H (the
> No-Photocopy List), such documentation must include copies of cited
> source material. While the kingdom college and College of Arms may
> assist with research and documentation, the submitter bears
> responsibility for providing documentation for all submissions.
>
> Note that last sentence.  At some point, go ahead and accept it and
> send it on up, and let kingdom (or Laurel) be the ones to tell her
> "no", if necessary.
>
> I believe <Mabry> might be documentable as a variant of <Mayberry> or
> the like, but that would be as a surname, NOT as a given name. If
> indeed documentation can be found of it as a surname, you might see if
> you can advise her to find another given name she likes and use it; if
> she's really stuck on <Gardiner> as a surname, she can likely get away
> with a double surname in late-period England.
>
> Grain of salt and all that,
> -Emma
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Amanda Smith <kyrogue at gmail.com> wrote:
>> She sent me that one to start with, but I'm wondering where my job to
>> research ends and hers should start?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Crandall <crandalltwo-scalists at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Searching for the source used on this page:
>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mabry/spelling.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Emabry/spelling.html>
>>> Maybe the genealogist for that site can give you sources.
>>> Donald E. Collins
>>> 3377 Mill Vista Road, Apt. #3207
>>> Highlands Ranch, Colorado 80129
>>> dcollins at mabryfamily.org
>>>
>>>
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