[ANSTHRLD] Conflicting with a non player.

Brandon McDermott brandonsmcd at yahoo.com
Fri Nov 12 07:12:00 PST 2010


Is there no clause stating "Rules subject to change with or without notice" in Corpora? If not, we are all still operating on the rules and regulations laid down 44 years ago and all subsequent rules should be eliminated.... 
 
What I mean to say is that we all to often say "We can't change that because that is how it is".... That is a falsehood. Our rules, regulations, laws, bi-laws, and even "The Game" change daily. Just as rules and laws of the people and places we are reenacting changed before, during, and after that time, so shall ours. 

All of that said, I don't think we should allow for the removal of a devise or name from those who have passed either from the SCA or this mortal coil. What value would the "gules three lions passant guardant" have if every Tom, Dick, and Harry had it as their personal devise? 
 
Sir Lochlan
 
 

--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Kevinkeary at aol.com <Kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote:


From: Kevinkeary at aol.com <Kevinkeary at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflicting with a non player.
To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:27 AM


This argument comes up every now and then. I see it as a problem. I don't  
think there is a solution. When the CoA accepts money for a registration, 
they  are selling a product. That product is permanent and inheritable. Even 
if NEW  registrations carried a disclaimer of 'for the lifetime of the 
Holder' or  REQUIRED a 'Heraldic Will' be filed with the registration, it would 
not change  the fact that the products sold to everyone up until now is theirs 
for their  lifetime unless they willingly give that ownership up in one way 
or another,  whether they play or not, and then passes on to their 
designated or legal  default heir, whether they KNOW it or not. Some of these people 
are already deceased. Short of disbanding the registering entity, I don't 
think  there is a way to fix this.
Kevin


In a message dated 11/12/2010 8:11:11 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
dmage121 at yahoo.com writes:

My good  heralds,

I know that there is no shelf life on name and devices, but  what happens 
when we 
have a submitter who has a device that conflicts and  makes every effort to 
get 
in touch with the conflicting gentile, only to  find that the person is no 
longer 
active in the SCA? Is there some way  that we can document or some process 
where 
we can place that persons name  and device in an inactive status for a time 
where 
it will be released  after a predetermined time of inactivity on the 
inactive 
list? I think  that it would make life easier in the long run if the 
process ran 
as  follows:

1. An inquiry is made and it is found that the person is no  longer active. 
2. An inquiry is sent to the person asking if they would  like to release 
their 
name and device (response time 1 month). 

3.  If there is a response, and it is so wished the name and device are  
immediately released, or a permission to conflict can then be attained.  

4. If there is no response the name is placed in an "Inactive" status  for 
a set 
time (say 3 to 6 months). This gives the holder of the name and  device 
ample 
time to respond to periodic inquiries.
5. After the time  period has lapsed the name and device are placed in a 
"Deceased" status.  This designates that the PERSONA, not the person, is 
diseased 
and the name  and device may now be in conflict with another. 

6. The new device must  still be different from the "Deceased" device, but 
with a 
less stringent  "CD" criteria.
7. Names must also differ, but can be  similar.

My intent in this is not to penalize those that  are inactive because of 
various reasons. I am trying to target those that  have no contact with the 
SCA 
at all, i.e. they have left the game entirely  and have no desire to play 
anymore. I await the various  responses.

For the Shire!
Robert of Coleford
Herald, Shire of  Gate's Edge




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