[ANSTHRLD] Conflicting with a non player.

[HerrDetlef]

Conflict is conflict. The only difference between conflict with an active
member and conflict with an inactive member is that the conflict with an
active member is more easily resolved. Not that the conflict with an
inactive member is impossible to resolve. Just more difficult. But it can be
done.

Even in a case of a member disappearing into the Witness Protection Program,
the FBI can be contacted. A deceased member? Contact the estate executor.
People who play SCA never play alone, and when they quit playing SCA, they
rarely take all of their friends with them.

In what kingdom was Paul of Sunriver active? Which kingdom submitted his
name/armory for registration? Through which local group was it submitted?
These things can be found out. And ISO's can work wonders. Fortunately, we
have in these days only to clear conflicts with registered SCA armory, is
that correct? Imagine having to contact the estates of armigers who lived in
Europe and who died several centuries ago to resolve a conflict!

One excellent reason exists for the requirement to clear conflicts with the
registered arms of inactive members: the arms of inactive members may still
be recognized in connection with that person, and displaying conflicting
arms could facilitate the illusion that that inactive member has suddenly
decided to attend an event.

Of course, there's always the option of making changes to the submission so
that it clears conflict...

Detlef

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Bill Butler <chemistbb3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have to agree with Robin.  Robin's point is not "moot".
>
> The return is due to the fact that a conflict exists with existing
> registered armory.
>
> If the  person is or is not active is what is moot as far as the reason for
> the return.  Submissions are not returnd due to a person's activity status
> in the SCA.  You would still have the conflict, and the returned submission,
> if the person with the coflicting armory was active and living next door to
> you.  (Getting permission to conflict would be a lot easier if they lived
> next to you though...)
>
> The problem in clearing the conflict by getting permission to conflict is
> that the person is inactive, for what ever reason, but that is not the
> reason for the return of the submission.
>
> William
>
> --- On Sun, 11/14/10, radei at moscowmail.com <radei at moscowmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: radei at moscowmail.com <radei at moscowmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflicting with a non player.
> > To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> > Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 10:28 PM
>  >
> > Conflict of an inactive persona.  no one has heard
> > from in 20 years.  If you can't find someone that is 20
> > years out of play then it is conflict due to a non-player
> > conflict.  the point is.  if the inactive person's
> > device was considered inactive and therefore not an "ACTIVE"
> > conflict.
> >
> > So your "note of precision" is a moot point.  It is
> > the topic at hand.
> >
> >
> > Radei
> > Vasil House of the Red Shark
> > Guild of St. Camillus de Lellis
> >
> > This we know: All things are connected.
> > Like the blood which unit
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Rudin <rudin at peoplepc.com>
> > To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc. <
> heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 9:06 pm
> > Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflicting with a non player.
> >
> >
> > >I encountered the same problem.  My device was
> > denied due to the person being
> > nactive, unreachable and most likely deceased.
> > Excuse me for introducing a note of precision  Your
> > device was not denied for
> > hat reason.
> > Your *proposed* device was returned for conflicting with
> > somebody else's.
> > hat's the reason for the return, totally independent from
> > that person's level
> > f activity.
> > Unfortunately, you can't locate the person you wished to
> > conflict with, and
> > herefore you cannot find out whether or not you might have
> > gotten an exception
> > o the rules.  But the return is for conflict, not for
> > inactivity or
> > nreachability.
> > Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
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