[ANSTHRLD] Cross quarterly, overall a mullet of eight points pierced

[Joshua Brandl]

Compass star... i keep seeing this term tossed out, from what i understand it to be, and have seen it drawn, a compass star is not what i am looking for. a compass star is essentially 4 long points in cardinal directions, and then 4 more in secondary directions.. ( with the compass rose being an additional 4 in tertiary directions )  instead i am looking for even tines, the term mullet of eight being used so that an unfamiliar herald will always draw it so, rather than the four greater-four lesser style mentioned earlier...

now piercing is cutting out a circular area from within the star, such that the background is seen through it, in this case the intersection of the cross. i am unsure how a compass star could be pierced argent as a Or charge should not be placed on an argent background...  i am not entirely able to visualize what is meant by "omni-tinctured" 

also... we dont surmount... where is this posted for beginners? i will not go so far as to say it is NOT posted... just that i dont know where it is... perhaps it would be good to gather this things into a sort of continuity folder... for those of us newbs who are interested in studying SCA heraldry...  i say SCA heraldry because a majority of the things practiced in period heraldry seem to be disallowed in the SCA... making most mundane heraldic references (at least that i have been able to get my grubby paws on) nigh-unto useless

Being that badges were used more to designate property rather than presence, i cannot seem to find a good reference of sca-period badges... my persona time period is in the early simple beginning times of mundane heraldry, and i cannot seem to find a single badge from MY period at all...

Jbrandl10

 

> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:31:24 -0500
> From: tmcd at panix.com
> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Cross quarterly, overall a mullet of eight points pierced
> 
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, Joshua Brandl <norfildur at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > First off... If there is a better title... lets use it..
> > now for the meat and taters of the email
> >
> > http://oanda.sca.org/
> >
> > since you all were so kind to help me with my device..
> > figured i would attempt to do my own badge
> > now.. this is the badge i am attempting to conflict check
> >
> > Blazon:
> > Fieldless, a cross quarterly argent and gules, surmounted by a
> > mullet of eight points pierced sable
> >
> > Emblazon:
> > http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/aednial/badgecolored.gif
> 
> (Irre[lv]e[ve][ae]nt comment: "Onward, Christian ninjas ...")
> 
> Blazon fu: SCA blazons use "(Fieldless)", and then capitalize the
> first word of the blazon, so
>     (Fieldless) A cross quarterly argent and gules, overall a mullet
>     of eight points pierced sable.
> 
> I'm afraid there's an instaboing cause for return.  An example is in
> the 3/02 LoAR:
> 
>     Argus Caradoc. Name and badge. (Fieldless) A reremouse displayed
>     sable conjoined in chief to a compass star pierced Or.
> 
>     [name returned]
> 
>     The compass star was blazoned on the Letter of Intent as pierced
>     sable, but the piercing on the colored emblazon is not black but
>     white. A compass star Or pierced argent would have inadequate
>     contrast, as the piercing is equivalent to a tertiary roundel. A
>     compass star pierced Or (which is to say, a compass star Or with
>     an untinctured hole in the center, through which the field shows)
>     is not acceptable on a fieldless badge per the LoAR of January
>     2000:
> 
>          Current precedent is that we only allow the piercing of
>          charges on fieldless badges when those charges were found
>          pierced in period armory (thus disallowing omni-tinctured
>          tertiary charges). While a compass star is closely related to
>          a mullet, it is nevertheless a different charge, one not
>          found in period armory. Therefore we are not inclined to give
>          it the benefit of the doubt and allow it to be pierced as we
>          would a mullet or spur rowel.
> 
>     [another cause for return] ...
> 
> (That's one of the easiest precedents to find with a text search:
> omni-tinctured or omnitinctured.)
> 
> I don't know of a way to get anything of this form.  If you just say
> it's "overall" and draw it with the center piercing entirely on the
> cross, there's no way to constrain that exact placement.  If you make
> it "on", then all eight points have to be entirely contained within
> the cross, leading to a really small compass star.  You could take
> away the piercing, but I don't know that the old Bruce precedent
> interpretation, forbidding overall charges on fieldless badges unless
> the area of intersection is small, has fallen yet.
> 
> Have you considered just the cross?
> 
> Danielis Lindocolina
> -- 
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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