[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check: Quarterly, Cross & Anchors

Jillian Birtciel saintesun at gmail.com
Thu Jan 20 08:00:35 PST 2011


> Greetings Good Heralds All & Daniel de Lincoln,


> It doesn't affect anything, but standard SCA College of Arms practice
> puts a comma after the field and usually spells out numbers.
> "Quarterly sable and gules, a cross between in bend two anchors
> argent."
>
> When I fill out the form, I clean up my lazy tendencies in blazoning.  But
thank you for the reminder, Evil Herald  :)


> Just to be sure: as the viewer looks at it, the upper left and lower
> right quarterings are black and the other two are red, there's a white
> cross overlying the edges of the quarterings, and there are two white
> anchors each centered in the black quarters?
>

Yes, exactly.


> I dimly recall the Pic Dic or an LoAR saying something about period
> anchors not necessarily looking like modern notions.  Does this tweak
> a memory in anyone?  I haven't the time at the moment to do a
> precedents dive.
>
>  I'm not sure if that conflicts with:
>>
>>  - Marina Foscari <http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Marina%20Foscari
>> >
>>     - The following device associated with this name was registered in
>>     February of 1989 (via
>> Caid)<
>> http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=1989&m1=February&y2=1989&m2=February&kC=checked
>> >
>>     :
>>     *Quarterly <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=quarterly>
>> sable<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=sable>and
>>     gules <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=gules>, a
>> cross<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=cross>between in
>>     bend <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=in+bend> two gondola prows
>>     reversed <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=reversed>, all within a
>>     bordure <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=bordure>
>> argent<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=argent>
>>     .*
>>
>
> I am reminded why I dislike the default of glossary links.
>
>
> Marina Foscari
> The following device associated with this name was registered in
> February of 1989 (via Caid):
> "Quarterly sable and gules, a cross between in bend two gondola prows
> reversed, all within a bordure argent."
>
>  Do the gondola prows count as a CD from the anchors?
>>
>
> Rules for Submission X.4.e under
> <http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs.html#10>
>
>    e. Type Changes - Significantly changing the type of any group of
>    charges placed directly on the field, including strewn charges or
>    charges overall, is one clear difference.
>
>    ... Types of charges considered to be separate in period, for
>    example a lion and an heraldic tyger, will be considered
>    different. A charge not used in period armory will be considered
>    different in type if its shape in normal depiction is
>    significantly different. ...
>
> I doubt that gondola prows were used in period, so I doubt that the
> period test would apply, so the visual comparison is likely the
> applicable test.  Would you say that they look significantly different
> from anchors?  I would.
>
>
>  Doesn't the bordure count as well, if I remember correctly?
>>
>
>    X.4.b. Addition of Charges on the Field - Adding or removing any
>    group of charges placed directly on the field, including strewn
>    charges, is one clear difference.
>
> Danihel de Lindocolina
> --
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
>


Thank you so much!
-- 
Yours in Service,

~Jillian Saint Andre, OSTB

`*When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it
means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' *

* `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many
different things.' *

* `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's
all.' *



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