[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check - Purpure Dragon

Tim McDaniel tmcd at panix.com
Tue Jun 28 20:23:25 PDT 2011


On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:

>> "Argent, in fess an arrow inverted vert between two dragons
>> combattant purpure." is considered a conflict but a sustained arrow
>> isn't?
>
> [vs "two dragons sustaining an arrow" and proposed "a dragon"]
>
> I was wondering where you were going for a second, then I realized
> you may be right. I'll have to go back and think!

I did as Emma: thought that the sustained charge was a secondary, then
reconsidered.  I had to find her reblazon (quoted in another message)
to assure myself that it was a co-primary.

5/09 LoAR CL:

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**** From Wreath: Sustained Charges ****

Da'ud ibn Auda, in September 1994, re-stated a precedent from Bruce Draconarius
of Mistholme in the following manner:

      Regarding the "significance" of the halberd, as Green Crown
      noted, a charge consisting mostly of a long skinny handle will
      always have difficulty matching the visual weight of other
      charges, but here the sizes of the charges are about the same as
      would be expected if they were in fess a bear and a halberd. That
      seems to be a reasonable rule of thumb for determining sustained
      (and qualifying for a CD), as opposed to maintained (and not
      qualifying for a CD), charges.

In the intervening years, this definition has been expanded to the
point where any sustained charge is a co-primary charge. The College
of Arms was asked to consider whether or not this policy made sense,
or whether it made sense to introduce the idea that charges could be
sustained secondaries.

Based on commentary, it does not appear that there is any easy way to
solve this problem that improves the current situation without
introducing new undesirable effects and complexity to our rules. We
therefore decline to change the current state of the rules on this
matter. Held items must be either sustained co-primaries, which count
for difference, or maintained charges, which do not count for
difference.

We remind the College that there are very few examples of held charges
in period armory and that most examples are maintained. The use of
sustained charges leads to an increase in complexity of processing
submissions that is not desirable, especially since it does not follow
a common period practice.

[More omitted: inviting proposals, entwined, and transfixed.]



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